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the smoke radio for the masses of July 8

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1947. the Army Air Forces has announced

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that a flying disc has been found and is

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now in the possession of the army

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game is rigged change the game game

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changer I occasionally think how quickly

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hard difference is worldwide would

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vanish if we were facing an alien threat

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this is Fade to Black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio

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all right welcome this is Fade to Black

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I am your host Jimmy church today is

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Monday December 12 2022 our guest

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tonight Gary Nolan Dr Gary P Nolan he's

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with us we're going to be discussing his

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career

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and his interest in our community uh of

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course Dr Nolan is the Ratchford and

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Carlotta a Harris professor in the

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department of pathology at Stanford

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University School of Medicine he is the

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first recipient of the teal innovator

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reward from the Department of Defense

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the first recipient of an FDA b a a a

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and received the award for outstanding

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research and achievement in 2011 from

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nature publishing group here's the deal

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his efforts are to enable a deeper

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deeper understanding of not only the

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normal immune function trauma pathogen

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infection and other inflammatory events

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but also detailed substructures of

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leukemias and solid cancers to enable

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new understandings that will enable

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better management of disease and

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clinical outcomes but that's not what

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we're going to be talking about tonight

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and I would like to welcome to fade to

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black for the first time Dr Gary P Nolan

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Dr No can I can I go with Gary you can

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go with Gary yeah I'm going with Gary

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Gary welcome to his Professor hair

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doctor yeah right right well we can do

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that too we can do that too before we

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get started uh you get the First Time

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guest disclaimer so let's get that out

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of the way which is uh Gary it's just

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you and I

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sitting on my couch having a

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conversation as friends and where the

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conversation starts it starts where it

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ends it ends but we're gonna end his

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friends there you go all right now next

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time you're on the show no disclaimer

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yeah yeah that's it that's it um now I

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want to I want to actually uh get

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straight to it tonight

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um and I want to make a kind of a

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general statement really quick

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um I hope that this conversation uh

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doesn't jeopardize what you do over at

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Stanford or your corporations are

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sitting on any Board of uh directors

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um anywhere but you've been talking

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about this stuff for a very long time so

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I think we're in a pretty safe Zone

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um so that being said let's actually

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start here

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your your name and research

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um has been a part of the UFO community

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in the research Community for a number

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of years and it didn't start with any

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one thing I think that people that come

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to this uh Community are brought here

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for very personal reasons uh for you uh

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why the interest of our in our UFO

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well you know I I think I've always been

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interested in space

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um and I guess it was probably around

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2010-ish or so that or maybe a little

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YouTube and you know poking around and

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looking at the UFO videos

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and thinking that's interesting you know

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that that's an obvious hoax that's a

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this one woman in Pennsylvania who

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and uploading them and they were really

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fascinating I didn't know what to say

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who was filming things and uh one of

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them sent me in uh an email with uh or a

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picture of the Atacama and that there

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was a movie being made about it and of

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reached out uh to them and um you know I

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was in the movie that they had uh on it

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the rest that I would

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a paper as I said on it and uh that was

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to the attention of more serious

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scientists in the field uh and that's

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when the CIA and all the rest showed up

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in my office and then the rest is I

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think many people here already know the

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story so I won't repeat it unless you

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have something well it's the first time

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the two and I have talked about it so we

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we may uh Circle back to that

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um the I've held the the 3D model right

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to be pretty complete it doesn't look

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baby human it's got the the proportions

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could almost see this little guy sitting

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on a a little piece of wood with a

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it just seemed uh developed and that

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didn't make any sense to me and when

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your paper was published I was a little

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bit bummed I was hoping for something

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down the road thinking to myself

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you know at first I thought it was a

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some of the data started coming in and

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the we were getting early sequencing

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results that were basically I couldn't

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out that the results were there was a

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reason why the results were what they

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um they weren't garbage it was just

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data that I wasn't aware of

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um you know but you know the first thing

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um or faculty Affairs and he was a

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friend and he he ran the neonatal care

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um and he had just come out of the

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neonatal care unit and he and he goes

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I don't know what that is but I do know

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the person that you need to talk to and

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his name is Ralph lockman and he's

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actually uh he's here at at Stanford and

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he's literally the world's expert in

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pediatric bone disorders and so maybe

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you should have been meeting with him

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and I did and he looked at it and he

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said well this is unusual it's human uh

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but it does have a number of bone

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disorders I mean he's seen everything

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she goes you know one of the things that

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she didn't like about being in an

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emergency room or in the neonatal area

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this is just her words and they're not

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very woke or whatever you want to call

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them she goes but some of the monsters

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that were born I mean you know and

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having to tell the mothers that they

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what it was that they had you know given

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birth to because Earth defects and

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for for Ralph lachman's book and and

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then read the book and look at the

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pictures and you're like Jesus that

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doesn't look

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mutation there are mutations so he had a

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number of mutations that he thought

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um and so so I had him on board and then

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uh I again at Stanford by by luck we had

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the truly the world's expert in South

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genetics so he knew he had everything he

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um and so and then I had just sold a

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company of mine to uh Roche Diagnostics

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had started with another professor uh

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student that we shared nargas asadi

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I said hey can you help me with this

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analysis that needs to be done I've

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they came back and said you know you we

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basically do multiple reads and you line

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them up and you basically do what's

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calls and then they did the statistics

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and you know lo and behold a large

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number of the mutations that were in

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both data sets uh ended up being in bone

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morphology genes statistically it was

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unlikely so we wrote the paper

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um I frankly didn't think it was that

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big a deal because

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you know he just showed it was human it

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had these mutations we thought I mean

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when we wrote the paper we caveated the

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hell out of it

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um because you always do I mean you

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always write it in these very careful

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ways that you say it might this it

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suggests

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Etc

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um but

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what we didn't need to suggest to caveat

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was that it was human

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you know there were no

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new chromosomes or anything like that

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and you know moreover it it's DNA

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um and the genetics of the DNA placed it

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smack dab in the middle of the Atacama

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region genetically well okay now let me

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let me just suggest this and especially

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when we discuss something like uh some

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kind of meteor ripe and [\h__\h] uh you

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know the universe in chemistry and

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particles and and things like that

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um

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aren't we all aliens

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right I mean could and what I'm

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suggesting is

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could it just put it out there

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um that this is something that is in

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possibly historically what we would be

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used to seeing as you know Homo sapiens

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sapien but that maybe we are all aliens

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right and and that

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genetically going back hundreds of

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thousands or millions of years there's

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all kinds of changes that could have

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happened

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you know I mean I mean yes at one level

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you can say that we're all you know

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given panspermia we're all aliens I mean

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I mean if you're wanting to change the

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subject from the yadakama I'm happy to

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go off in another Direction

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um but the uh

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you know the the Frank fact is that that

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was

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you know human

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um and uh

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I also showed that another skull that

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somebody brought to me the so-called

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star child skull was human as well and

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the owners of that didn't like it but

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then somebody else came along and read

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and did the analysis and said yeah he

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was right it is and

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it's it's not a failure

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to right to show that something was not

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what you wanted it to be

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it's actually how the good how good

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science is done because it's those it's

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it's frankly not going to be the most

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spectacular cases that are going to

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prove what we might want it to be it's

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going to be the stuff that's kind of

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hidden in the leaves

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that's going to prove things and and

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that's what you know the best science is

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always done by finding the thing that

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everybody else walked right past if it

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were easy if it were low-hanging fruit

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we'd already have it

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yeah that's true that's true and and and

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I also feel you bring up a really good

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point that science is too concerned with

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staying safe and picking the low-hanging

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fruit instead of thinking outside of the

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box I didn't care what it was going to

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be I mean believe me I would have loved

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it to have been this something else I

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mean I I you know I

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it would have been it would have meant a

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Nobel Prize you know can I ask you one

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question let me ask you one question

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did it walk

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no it was probably a pre-term birth

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really with with developed bones in the

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feet like that and didn't happen so but

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that was the that was one of the unusual

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mutations right I mean there are

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mutations

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um I forget the name of it uh it's uh

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and the the children survive

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and they age quickly then and they look

379
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like little old men right by the time

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they're 10 or 12. Progeria I think it's

381
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called Progeria very rare very rarely

382
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very rare and you know and when stuff

383
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goes wrong the babies don't make it

384
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you know I'm I'm sorry you know and a

385
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lot of what came out later and I wasn't

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aware of this you know apparently this

387
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was actually a well-known a relatively

388
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well-known

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um specimen in Chile

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uh the um

391
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you know I mean I got hammered by the

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anthropology community in the and the

393
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paleontology Community or whatever you

394
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want to call them the um down there

395
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because they said that you know I didn't

396
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have the right to do it yeah but of

397
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course there had been movies made in

398
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Chile about it and and they didn't know

399
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what it was and you know so I go ahead

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and do it with a tiny piece of bone and

401
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they just had a you know they had a fit

402
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um you know I understand why but you

403
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know I also showed that it was human and

404
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said look it's it's it's not a circus

405
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you know attraction let's give it the

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rightful burial I you know I didn't

407
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realize that actually The Original

408
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Stories I was blamed for not knowing

409
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something in a Spanish movie you know

410
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um showed that it came from a reliquary

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uh in a church

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in an abandoned town

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so somebody had buried their child or

414
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put it in uh you know not buried it but

415
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put it in a you know a reliquary box

416
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um and it was taken from there and so

417
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you know I wasn't

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I wasn't

419
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fully aware of some of the story events

420
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behind it and you know I think one of

421
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the lessons that that taught me and

422
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um

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I think it you know it was kind of

424
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hammered home by Jacques valet and some

425
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other things some other work that we've

426
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been doing on samples from UFO you know

427
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not crashes but UFO events is that the

428
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chain of custody and full story behind

429
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something is so important because you

430
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can really get tripped up later on and

431
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um you know for better or worse I got

432
00:18:45,830 --> 00:18:43,559
tripped up on that you know and and so

433
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but at the end of the day I think I did

434
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good or I did well I think I did good I

435
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think okay now I don't have

436
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any fancy degrees okay but what I do do

437
00:19:03,650 --> 00:19:00,179
is I read an awful lot right and I do I

438
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do a lot of research and this is one

439
00:19:09,230 --> 00:19:05,160
thing

440
00:19:12,409 --> 00:19:09,240
um that I I can't get off of and this is

441
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my own thought process but you're here

442
00:19:18,650 --> 00:19:15,000
so let me run this by you

443
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um when we have meteorites and and and

444
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things land on this planet with with

445
00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:24,299
basic sugars you know uh that that

446
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constitute RNA that's that's a pretty

447
00:19:31,970 --> 00:19:30,120
crazy thing and knowing that that is

448
00:19:33,890 --> 00:19:31,980
just flying around the universe and

449
00:19:34,970 --> 00:19:33,900
bouncing off other planets that's pretty

450
00:19:37,970 --> 00:19:34,980
interesting

451
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and if if that is the case

452
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then it would seem to me that particles

453
00:19:43,610 --> 00:19:42,000
are particles it doesn't matter what

454
00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:43,620
part of the universe you're in and

455
00:19:47,270 --> 00:19:45,360
they're going to combine certain ways

456
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it's not there isn't an infinite amount

457
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of combinations it's a finite amount of

458
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combinations

459
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therefore

460
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RNA and DNA must be Universal it's

461
00:20:02,570 --> 00:20:00,960
certainly Universal on this planet right

462
00:20:06,169 --> 00:20:02,580
here right everything's got DNA and

463
00:20:08,330 --> 00:20:06,179
everything's pretty pretty similar so uh

464
00:20:12,370 --> 00:20:08,340
based on that whether you're a banana or

465
00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:12,380
a rat or you and I DNA is DNA

466
00:20:20,029 --> 00:20:17,280
so the idea of two arms two legs ten

467
00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:20,039
fingers right ten toes two eyes stereo

468
00:20:26,510 --> 00:20:24,000
Vision stereo here these things wouldn't

469
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that also be Universal I mean different

470
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colors and different things and

471
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different heights and different but

472
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wouldn't that would you be surprised if

473
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if E.T stepped off of a a flying saucer

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with with a head and two arms and two

475
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legs or would you expect something

476
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different I would expect something

477
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different I mean you know I think that

478
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there are I mean

479
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uh

480
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my expectations aren't fact but

481
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um I don't necessarily see

482
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why the human form is the most likely

483
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form to house intelligence

484
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uh and so you know you could just as

485
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easily have a

486
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you know an intelligent Octopus from

487
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another planet or something that looks

488
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like you know I mean just I mean I mean

489
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just go back to the

490
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to the Cambrian explosion right the

491
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pre-cambrian explosion when when all the

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varied life forms were

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um and it was before there was a

494
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cataclysm of some sort

495
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um

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that was a point in time in our genetic

497
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history when the modules for forming

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things

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had begun to become complex enough that

500
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you could have all of these

501
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extraordinarily varied forms

502
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um and it's kind of like

503
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a Sims game right where you're playing

504
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and you're building these different

505
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modules and then out of out of

506
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complexity can come even more complexity

507
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um and but it couldn't all survive

508
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and so there was a winnowing event

509
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so you're gonna have on another planet

510
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somewhere if it has an evolution it's

511
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going to have its own growth and it's

512
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probably going to have something like

513
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plants and something like animals but

514
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the

515
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ancient ancestor of ours

516
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that by chance happen to be the Survivor

517
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it was the one that didn't get eaten

518
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that day in the pond

519
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or in the seaside is not going to be the

520
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same one on another planet

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and so while I think that there is a um

522
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an evolutionary pressure to keep the

523
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senses close to the brain because the

524
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millisecond matters between being eaten

525
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and not you know you don't want to have

526
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your bra your brain your you know eyes

527
00:23:04,130 --> 00:23:01,799
on your fingers necessarily

528
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to make a decision

529
00:23:07,610 --> 00:23:06,120
um so there would be a I think an

530
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evolutionary pressure to keep the

531
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sensory apparatus close to the wherever

532
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:12,419
the brain case is but it doesn't have to

533
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be sitting on top of a you know of a

534
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thorax you know or a abdomen with you

535
00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:20,159
know two arms and two legs

536
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pretty

537
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I don't know if convinced is the right

538
00:23:33,169 --> 00:23:30,539
word but if I were to explain the things

539
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:33,179
that people think that they see which

540
00:23:39,049 --> 00:23:36,240
are humanoid

541
00:23:41,690 --> 00:23:39,059
um I have a hard time thinking that they

542
00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:41,700
evolved elsewhere unless you want to

543
00:23:47,529 --> 00:23:44,720
imagine some sort of parallel universe

544
00:23:50,810 --> 00:23:47,539
where things only

545
00:23:53,570 --> 00:23:50,820
diverged relatively recently

546
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:53,580
and they're more interested in coming

547
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:56,400
over to look at us because we look weird

548
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:58,080
right so that's one way to think about

549
00:24:02,750 --> 00:24:00,480
it some sort of parallel universe

550
00:24:04,690 --> 00:24:02,760
you know a future Universe of ours

551
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:04,700
somebody coming back

552
00:24:10,430 --> 00:24:07,679
or you know and the people I'm happy to

553
00:24:14,270 --> 00:24:10,440
hear other ideas for this

554
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:14,280
um or a situation where whatever it is

555
00:24:21,230 --> 00:24:17,760
that is the intelligence behind the

556
00:24:24,289 --> 00:24:21,240
things that people think that they see

557
00:24:26,270 --> 00:24:24,299
is basically taking animals from Earth

558
00:24:28,669 --> 00:24:26,280
and designing them up

559
00:24:31,789 --> 00:24:28,679
and making them look more like us

560
00:24:35,149 --> 00:24:31,799
or doing its own mix and match games

561
00:24:38,810 --> 00:24:35,159
to create an avatar or to create a you

562
00:24:41,210 --> 00:24:38,820
know an intermediary to basically run

563
00:24:43,250 --> 00:24:41,220
operations on the planet while it's off

564
00:24:46,370 --> 00:24:43,260
busy doing whatever it is that it really

565
00:24:48,890 --> 00:24:46,380
does you know I think that that is to me

566
00:24:52,250 --> 00:24:48,900
a more I mean it sounds Fantastical

567
00:24:57,289 --> 00:24:52,260
obviously uh it's complete speculation

568
00:24:59,870 --> 00:24:57,299
on my part but it it seems given the

569
00:25:03,110 --> 00:24:59,880
variety of things that people have seen

570
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:03,120
it's either something that is made

571
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:06,000
in a in a Jacques valetian sort of

572
00:25:09,710 --> 00:25:06,960
manner

573
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:09,720
to be the intermediary to fool us to

574
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:12,000
make it think make us think that it's

575
00:25:16,370 --> 00:25:13,679
alien

576
00:25:19,070 --> 00:25:16,380
when it's really something else or

577
00:25:22,250 --> 00:25:19,080
it's something that whatever it is is

578
00:25:24,769 --> 00:25:22,260
making to interact with us it

579
00:25:26,930 --> 00:25:24,779
whatever is that people think is

580
00:25:29,870 --> 00:25:26,940
humanoid just doesn't make sense to me

581
00:25:33,710 --> 00:25:29,880
I'm perfectly willing to be convinced

582
00:25:36,350 --> 00:25:33,720
otherwise I mean in the absence of data

583
00:25:39,890 --> 00:25:36,360
you can speculate a little more broadly

584
00:25:43,370 --> 00:25:39,900
yeah data and let me reduce the variable

585
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:43,380
boundaries and uh and I can speculate a

586
00:25:50,570 --> 00:25:48,240
bit more precisely well okay so

587
00:25:53,149 --> 00:25:50,580
have you

588
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:53,159
um well I I will get into the CIA here

589
00:25:56,990 --> 00:25:54,720
in a minute and and you know what's

590
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:57,000
funny uh when I announced that you were

591
00:26:01,370 --> 00:25:59,279
coming on the show by the way Gary and I

592
00:26:03,950 --> 00:26:01,380
have been trying to do this for a very

593
00:26:05,330 --> 00:26:03,960
long time if everybody could see our

594
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:05,340
emails

595
00:26:13,090 --> 00:26:11,039
in Duty CIA man you can't trust Gary

596
00:26:16,370 --> 00:26:13,100
Nolan he's here

597
00:26:18,890 --> 00:26:16,380
whoa whoa let's you're right so but but

598
00:26:20,690 --> 00:26:18,900
here's the thing with that uh those

599
00:26:22,970 --> 00:26:20,700
comments

600
00:26:24,529 --> 00:26:22,980
um and you mentioned it at the front of

601
00:26:25,970 --> 00:26:24,539
the show you brought up the CIA and we

602
00:26:28,010 --> 00:26:25,980
could talk about that later and we will

603
00:26:30,649 --> 00:26:28,020
but

604
00:26:35,090 --> 00:26:30,659
um uh you

605
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:35,100
have been exposed to the idea from from

606
00:26:39,710 --> 00:26:37,919
the government that there has been

607
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:39,720
contact made there's been contact made

608
00:26:43,730 --> 00:26:42,240
with our military uh we've got illnesses

609
00:26:45,470 --> 00:26:43,740
we've got to work on we need your help

610
00:26:47,570 --> 00:26:45,480
with this or that that's a pretty

611
00:26:49,850 --> 00:26:47,580
extraordinary step

612
00:26:52,250 --> 00:26:49,860
but have you

613
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:52,260
have you encountered the one missing

614
00:26:57,470 --> 00:26:55,200
thing here to all of this is like alien

615
00:26:59,529 --> 00:26:57,480
DNA right we've got all kinds of

616
00:27:02,810 --> 00:26:59,539
artifacts and things and metal driven

617
00:27:05,630 --> 00:27:02,820
we've got that stuff but

618
00:27:08,810 --> 00:27:05,640
um the radiation readings

619
00:27:10,909 --> 00:27:08,820
but alien DNA is that something that you

620
00:27:13,010 --> 00:27:10,919
have encountered or is that something

621
00:27:16,010 --> 00:27:13,020
that the government doesn't have yet

622
00:27:19,250 --> 00:27:16,020
I mean if they do

623
00:27:21,289 --> 00:27:19,260
um then I mean I haven't seen the data

624
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:21,299
right I mean believe me I would love to

625
00:27:26,510 --> 00:27:24,480
get my hands on it again Nobel Prize

626
00:27:29,090 --> 00:27:26,520
give me it you know I've been accused of

627
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:29,100
being to be bought off by that teal

628
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:30,960
innovator award that you mentioned which

629
00:27:36,769 --> 00:27:34,080
was in a very cancer award I left the

630
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:36,779
dollar value off of that by the way it

631
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:38,880
was like I don't know three or four

632
00:27:43,789 --> 00:27:41,039
million I forget about it it sounds like

633
00:27:46,430 --> 00:27:43,799
a lot of money but in science

634
00:27:49,010 --> 00:27:46,440
you go through it quickly

635
00:27:52,190 --> 00:27:49,020
um but uh

636
00:27:55,850 --> 00:27:52,200
you know it's um

637
00:27:58,130 --> 00:27:55,860
okay back to alien DNA back to you're

638
00:28:01,130 --> 00:27:58,140
right though that is you would get

639
00:28:03,409 --> 00:28:01,140
funding your children would get the

640
00:28:08,210 --> 00:28:03,419
leftovers exactly exactly I'd get the

641
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:08,220
funding it would be you know you'd be

642
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:10,799
Superstar blah blah blah

643
00:28:14,930 --> 00:28:12,480
I mean frankly the kind of attention

644
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:14,940
that I I think sometimes you don't want

645
00:28:20,390 --> 00:28:18,240
but um so

646
00:28:22,850 --> 00:28:20,400
you know I I think let me just say this

647
00:28:25,850 --> 00:28:22,860
way the proof's in the pudding here

648
00:28:29,450 --> 00:28:25,860
um my interest in the area has continued

649
00:28:31,490 --> 00:28:29,460
despite all of those let's say setbacks

650
00:28:33,470 --> 00:28:31,500
because I do think that there's

651
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:33,480
something to be done and something to be

652
00:28:37,789 --> 00:28:36,000
said but you know

653
00:28:40,490 --> 00:28:37,799
they might be

654
00:28:42,649 --> 00:28:40,500
Universal in some ways but it doesn't

655
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:42,659
have to be the only

656
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:46,320
format for storing information

657
00:28:50,990 --> 00:28:48,960
um it it there might be variations on

658
00:28:53,870 --> 00:28:51,000
the theme right there might be different

659
00:28:55,730 --> 00:28:53,880
bases that are used Etc so if different

660
00:29:00,350 --> 00:28:55,740
bases are used

661
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:00,360
rather than a g c or t uh our current

662
00:29:04,730 --> 00:29:03,120
machines wouldn't be able to read them

663
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:04,740
you know you could do the chemistry on

664
00:29:10,250 --> 00:29:07,440
it and figure it out

665
00:29:12,289 --> 00:29:10,260
um but it would take huge it wouldn't

666
00:29:14,510 --> 00:29:12,299
line up with anything it wouldn't line

667
00:29:17,810 --> 00:29:14,520
up with anything right

668
00:29:20,990 --> 00:29:17,820
you know uh so but it doesn't mean that

669
00:29:26,269 --> 00:29:21,000
it can't be done it just means that it

670
00:29:27,710 --> 00:29:26,279
it needs the kind of focus on it that um

671
00:29:29,690 --> 00:29:27,720
you would need to bring in teams of

672
00:29:31,610 --> 00:29:29,700
people who were who were specialists in

673
00:29:34,730 --> 00:29:31,620
it now maybe the government's done it

674
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:34,740
and I'm I'm you know I'm I'm not giving

675
00:29:39,169 --> 00:29:36,480
them the credit that's due

676
00:29:41,090 --> 00:29:39,179
uh but if it is and they didn't do

677
00:29:42,409 --> 00:29:41,100
anything with the data and is stuck in a

678
00:29:43,789 --> 00:29:42,419
filing cabinet and they might as well

679
00:29:47,210 --> 00:29:43,799
have not done it

680
00:29:49,370 --> 00:29:47,220
okay another another question I think

681
00:29:51,409 --> 00:29:49,380
about this stuff way too much but you're

682
00:29:55,370 --> 00:29:51,419
here so I'm going to ask

683
00:29:57,230 --> 00:29:55,380
um we I'll say you and I I can't speak

684
00:30:00,669 --> 00:29:57,240
for the rest of the audience but you and

685
00:30:03,909 --> 00:30:00,679
I have 46 chromosome pairs

686
00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:03,919
primates have 48.

687
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:07,919
and and it seems to me that those two

688
00:30:13,310 --> 00:30:10,080
chromosome pairs have a lot of

689
00:30:16,130 --> 00:30:13,320
information in it but that's missing

690
00:30:18,130 --> 00:30:16,140
with us you and I can't speak for the

691
00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:18,140
audience but but

692
00:30:22,810 --> 00:30:20,720
it's rearranged

693
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:22,820
but

694
00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:26,159
explain well I know that one chromosome

695
00:30:31,789 --> 00:30:28,559
pair was split and removed and another

696
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:31,799
one was divided into two arms were moved

697
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:33,840
around and whole regions were moved from

698
00:30:39,409 --> 00:30:36,000
one place to another

699
00:30:42,110 --> 00:30:39,419
um it is uh you know these things happen

700
00:30:43,370 --> 00:30:42,120
but you know maybe there's some huge

701
00:30:47,090 --> 00:30:43,380
chunk of

702
00:30:48,350 --> 00:30:47,100
so-called junk DNA that was lost

703
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:48,360
um but you know it turns out that

704
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:51,360
there's no such really thing as junk DNA

705
00:30:56,090 --> 00:30:52,320
um

706
00:30:57,950 --> 00:30:56,100
so we didn't get a whole bunch extra

707
00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:57,960
from if you if you look at the total

708
00:31:03,649 --> 00:31:00,960
number of DNA bases in humans and

709
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:03,659
chimpanzees they're comparable

710
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:06,720
okay but but why

711
00:31:14,269 --> 00:31:08,240
why

712
00:31:17,510 --> 00:31:14,279
isn't uh uh chimpanzees apes uh

713
00:31:19,070 --> 00:31:17,520
inventing uh the internet 4.0 instead of

714
00:31:21,769 --> 00:31:19,080
us well they have any of a number of

715
00:31:24,289 --> 00:31:21,779
other differences from us I mean in

716
00:31:26,750 --> 00:31:24,299
terms of the brain structure Etc and but

717
00:31:29,149 --> 00:31:26,760
those are all those are all what you

718
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:29,159
think of as or what we explain as as

719
00:31:33,049 --> 00:31:31,440
regulatory events

720
00:31:35,210 --> 00:31:33,059
um you know turning the right gene on in

721
00:31:37,130 --> 00:31:35,220
the right place at the right time a

722
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:37,140
mutation and a protein here that affects

723
00:31:41,570 --> 00:31:39,360
10 other things in how development

724
00:31:43,610 --> 00:31:41,580
occurs I mean frankly we're going to

725
00:31:45,470 --> 00:31:43,620
need AI to figure out how we actually

726
00:31:47,630 --> 00:31:45,480
work now that we're starting to collect

727
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:47,640
the data because no human will be able

728
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:48,720
to

729
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:51,600
mentally manifest it

730
00:31:56,990 --> 00:31:54,960
um but you know I could make a human

731
00:31:59,630 --> 00:31:57,000
okay and change the number I mean I'm

732
00:32:01,730 --> 00:31:59,640
not gonna do it but I could you know you

733
00:32:03,649 --> 00:32:01,740
have chromosomes of different sizes 23

734
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:03,659
being the smallest or and all the way up

735
00:32:08,810 --> 00:32:06,240
to the largest ones

736
00:32:12,830 --> 00:32:08,820
um and I could rearrange the chromosome

737
00:32:16,970 --> 00:32:12,840
arms make a new race of humans with

738
00:32:19,310 --> 00:32:16,980
fewer or larger numbers of chromosomes

739
00:32:21,649 --> 00:32:19,320
you know it wouldn't it and it would but

740
00:32:23,090 --> 00:32:21,659
it wouldn't make them any less human

741
00:32:25,490 --> 00:32:23,100
it's just one thing that we probably

742
00:32:26,930 --> 00:32:25,500
couldn't interbreed with them just by

743
00:32:29,690 --> 00:32:26,940
rearranging chromosome arms and that's

744
00:32:32,090 --> 00:32:29,700
why we can't breed with chimpanzees

745
00:32:34,250 --> 00:32:32,100
correct now

746
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:34,260
um I see I sound smart but it's only

747
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:36,480
because you're here so

748
00:32:41,570 --> 00:32:39,600
um if we go back uh and this is another

749
00:32:43,730 --> 00:32:41,580
thing that I just find interesting and I

750
00:32:45,230 --> 00:32:43,740
relate all of this back to E.T by the

751
00:32:48,769 --> 00:32:45,240
way we'll Circle back

752
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:48,779
if we go back 200 000 years ago when you

753
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:51,120
and I you know homo sapien sapien just

754
00:32:57,950 --> 00:32:52,799
appeared

755
00:32:59,870 --> 00:32:57,960
um it seems that the chromosome pair uh

756
00:33:02,769 --> 00:32:59,880
change happened around that time that's

757
00:33:05,690 --> 00:33:02,779
one but number two

758
00:33:08,269 --> 00:33:05,700
how is it that when you look at

759
00:33:10,610 --> 00:33:08,279
Cro-Magnon or Neanderthal and you look

760
00:33:13,130 --> 00:33:10,620
at the slope but you know the Fate that

761
00:33:16,730 --> 00:33:13,140
you know you and I are beautiful right

762
00:33:19,549 --> 00:33:16,740
we're handsome and if you go if you know

763
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:19,559
what I'm saying right and you look at uh

764
00:33:26,450 --> 00:33:22,799
Neanderthal woman and you look at uh

765
00:33:27,889 --> 00:33:26,460
homo sapien sapien female this this

766
00:33:30,769 --> 00:33:27,899
there isn't

767
00:33:32,990 --> 00:33:30,779
50 million years of evolution there

768
00:33:35,450 --> 00:33:33,000
something happened overnight where you

769
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:35,460
and I just appeared with this you know

770
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:38,640
this Adonis beauty that we have

771
00:33:43,730 --> 00:33:42,000
um and that kind of change in in an

772
00:33:46,909 --> 00:33:43,740
evolutionary sense happening overnight

773
00:33:48,769 --> 00:33:46,919
doesn't make any sense to me unless we

774
00:33:51,710 --> 00:33:48,779
had some kind of in intervention that

775
00:33:54,289 --> 00:33:51,720
came from the stars I don't I I don't

776
00:33:56,330 --> 00:33:54,299
think that first of all it was all that

777
00:33:57,529 --> 00:33:56,340
sudden the changes I mean we think of

778
00:34:01,070 --> 00:33:57,539
them as sudden but that's just because

779
00:34:03,710 --> 00:34:01,080
of what we see in the fossil record

780
00:34:06,769 --> 00:34:03,720
um you know the the fact that we find

781
00:34:09,169 --> 00:34:06,779
other humans pretty is basically an

782
00:34:11,149 --> 00:34:09,179
instinctual uh

783
00:34:14,450 --> 00:34:11,159
um it's sort of like it's it's it's it's

784
00:34:17,389 --> 00:34:14,460
in our genes what we think is beautiful

785
00:34:19,730 --> 00:34:17,399
um it's like why a dog pays attention to

786
00:34:22,490 --> 00:34:19,740
another dog on the street but um and

787
00:34:23,930 --> 00:34:22,500
goes all on alert whereas it doesn't do

788
00:34:27,050 --> 00:34:23,940
that for a human that comes around the

789
00:34:30,369 --> 00:34:27,060
corner right they kind of do I've had

790
00:34:34,669 --> 00:34:30,379
that not the same kind of like

791
00:34:37,609 --> 00:34:34,679
you can see them tense but so I I I I

792
00:34:40,490 --> 00:34:37,619
don't think that the change was anywhere

793
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:40,500
near fast enough to

794
00:34:47,450 --> 00:34:44,159
um Merit uh any you know major

795
00:34:49,250 --> 00:34:47,460
consideration in terms of intervention

796
00:34:51,530 --> 00:34:49,260
let's say

797
00:34:53,690 --> 00:34:51,540
um compared to neanderthals it's just

798
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:53,700
separate I mean just look at the just

799
00:34:59,390 --> 00:34:55,200
look at the human

800
00:35:01,250 --> 00:34:59,400
groups on Earth today right everything

801
00:35:02,329 --> 00:35:01,260
from the Aborigines to the South

802
00:35:06,109 --> 00:35:02,339
American

803
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:06,119
sort of tribes to the pygmies to you

804
00:35:10,430 --> 00:35:08,160
know Asians are very different than

805
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:10,440
Northern Europeans

806
00:35:16,670 --> 00:35:12,960
um and and that's only frankly probably

807
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:16,680
within the last 40 50 000 years agreed

808
00:35:20,990 --> 00:35:19,440
agreed except let me throw can I throw

809
00:35:23,329 --> 00:35:21,000
something in there and I didn't mean to

810
00:35:26,750 --> 00:35:23,339
interrupt you but if we look at Homo

811
00:35:28,910 --> 00:35:26,760
erectus right and you look at anything

812
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:28,920
in the fossil record from two two

813
00:35:34,970 --> 00:35:31,920
million years ago and and you follow

814
00:35:37,849 --> 00:35:34,980
that and then then you look at you and I

815
00:35:41,050 --> 00:35:37,859
homo sapien sapien that was overnight

816
00:35:44,810 --> 00:35:41,060
that I don't see millions of

817
00:35:47,089 --> 00:35:44,820
that's I I just don't you're looking for

818
00:35:50,450 --> 00:35:47,099
the you're looking for the the missing

819
00:35:52,910 --> 00:35:50,460
link that people are have always been

820
00:35:57,710 --> 00:35:52,920
trying to find I mean the fossil record

821
00:36:01,730 --> 00:35:57,720
has gaps in it I'm not willing to fill

822
00:36:04,849 --> 00:36:01,740
them in with alien intervention

823
00:36:08,329 --> 00:36:04,859
um you know and but but yeah I've said

824
00:36:11,089 --> 00:36:08,339
this in in other podcasts you don't need

825
00:36:16,370 --> 00:36:13,069
um you don't need to use genetic

826
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:16,380
engineering let's say or gross

827
00:36:22,190 --> 00:36:17,599
intervention

828
00:36:24,410 --> 00:36:22,200
with human evolution to affect large

829
00:36:26,450 --> 00:36:24,420
changes in human evolution there's

830
00:36:29,690 --> 00:36:26,460
something called the founder effect

831
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:29,700
in genetics which is you know if you

832
00:36:34,970 --> 00:36:31,920
have a limited breeding group

833
00:36:37,069 --> 00:36:34,980
that's separate than from the larger

834
00:36:41,150 --> 00:36:37,079
breeding group

835
00:36:46,010 --> 00:36:41,160
to be very different but it will if it

836
00:36:49,010 --> 00:36:46,020
basically founds a new population

837
00:36:51,950 --> 00:36:49,020
then they will look like that limited

838
00:36:54,530 --> 00:36:51,960
breeding group quickly too yeah right

839
00:36:57,710 --> 00:36:54,540
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I get that okay

840
00:37:01,130 --> 00:36:57,720
so so let's let's play the game that you

841
00:37:04,430 --> 00:37:01,140
want here to to play

842
00:37:06,650 --> 00:37:04,440
let's say that somebody wanted to change

843
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,660
Humanity all they need to do is make

844
00:37:09,290 --> 00:37:08,400
sure that a bunch of a bunch of the

845
00:37:13,130 --> 00:37:09,300
people

846
00:37:14,810 --> 00:37:13,140
breed don't breed

847
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:14,820
right they make sure that certain groups

848
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:16,800
win and others don't

849
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:18,960
they you know so you can affect

850
00:37:24,890 --> 00:37:21,359
extraordinary changes just like we've

851
00:37:27,530 --> 00:37:24,900
done with dogs over the years by

852
00:37:32,990 --> 00:37:27,540
selective breeding

853
00:37:37,609 --> 00:37:33,000
and horses and and and yeah but you know

854
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:37,619
there is we simply do not know enough

855
00:37:45,470 --> 00:37:42,720
right now to do any kind of manipulation

856
00:37:47,450 --> 00:37:45,480
of the human genome with the kind of

857
00:37:50,510 --> 00:37:47,460
subtlety that's required

858
00:37:52,130 --> 00:37:50,520
to accomplish major changes

859
00:37:54,770 --> 00:37:52,140
now I'm not saying that something

860
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:54,780
wouldn't know enough

861
00:38:00,410 --> 00:37:57,359
but when I when I'm trying to finesse in

862
00:38:02,390 --> 00:38:00,420
here is that

863
00:38:06,530 --> 00:38:02,400
people are looking for like some

864
00:38:09,170 --> 00:38:06,540
extraordinary change that is enough to

865
00:38:12,589 --> 00:38:09,180
explain why we're so different

866
00:38:15,770 --> 00:38:12,599
I mean everybody knows the old story 95

867
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:15,780
of the chimpanzee genome looks like ours

868
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:18,960
subtle differences here or there

869
00:38:23,690 --> 00:38:22,320
um because you can't make one change in

870
00:38:26,510 --> 00:38:23,700
one part of the genome without it

871
00:38:28,970 --> 00:38:26,520
affecting something unexpected and so

872
00:38:32,210 --> 00:38:28,980
there are these changes and counter

873
00:38:35,569 --> 00:38:32,220
changes and balancing effects that occur

874
00:38:37,970 --> 00:38:35,579
all across the genome

875
00:38:40,490 --> 00:38:37,980
um that are necessary although we don't

876
00:38:43,130 --> 00:38:40,500
understand them yet to make sure that

877
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:43,140
everything of who and what we are is all

878
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:45,359
brought together from the egg to who we

879
00:38:51,770 --> 00:38:49,280
are today so if you're going to imagine

880
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:51,780
that there was an intervention

881
00:38:58,370 --> 00:38:54,720
you have to imagine

882
00:39:00,410 --> 00:38:58,380
a an AI level super intelligence

883
00:39:03,650 --> 00:39:00,420
that was able to say okay well these are

884
00:39:05,210 --> 00:39:03,660
the kinds of changes that I want or even

885
00:39:07,970 --> 00:39:05,220
if they're not making the changes

886
00:39:09,890 --> 00:39:07,980
they're sampling the population

887
00:39:12,410 --> 00:39:09,900
and they're saying these are the ones

888
00:39:15,950 --> 00:39:12,420
that I want to breed with the others a

889
00:39:18,050 --> 00:39:15,960
very you know Dune and a guesser it kind

890
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:18,060
of an approach right we're getting used

891
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:20,640
of eugenics and like some of the people

892
00:39:25,010 --> 00:39:22,560
who out there who are like uh you know

893
00:39:27,470 --> 00:39:25,020
no one's a eugenesis blah blah blah I'm

894
00:39:31,609 --> 00:39:27,480
just saying if you I I'm trying to give

895
00:39:33,069 --> 00:39:31,619
people a let's say a standard science

896
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:33,079
path

897
00:39:40,010 --> 00:39:36,720
to speculate in

898
00:39:43,550 --> 00:39:40,020
um reasonable ways about this

899
00:39:45,650 --> 00:39:43,560
now here's here's the thing

900
00:39:49,069 --> 00:39:45,660
all of that

901
00:39:52,970 --> 00:39:49,079
is fine and it all could be natural it

902
00:39:56,270 --> 00:39:52,980
could all be luck lightning struck some

903
00:39:58,370 --> 00:39:56,280
DNA on a crystal in a creek bed and

904
00:40:02,530 --> 00:39:58,380
prove it here we are okay all right okay

905
00:40:05,930 --> 00:40:02,540
all right okay I'll give you that except

906
00:40:10,430 --> 00:40:05,940
apparently E.T is visiting us and

907
00:40:14,930 --> 00:40:10,440
visiting us a lot right and and that

908
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:14,940
does bring this hypothetical in and when

909
00:40:19,250 --> 00:40:18,000
when we see this and especially this

910
00:40:21,650 --> 00:40:19,260
last five years been pretty

911
00:40:24,050 --> 00:40:21,660
extraordinary uh when we see this

912
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:24,060
conversation now uh being a part of the

913
00:40:29,690 --> 00:40:26,880
media you have been you know you've been

914
00:40:32,210 --> 00:40:29,700
on television you've been interviewed

915
00:40:34,430 --> 00:40:32,220
um about some pretty extraordinary uh

916
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:34,440
subjects that have never been dealt with

917
00:40:39,230 --> 00:40:36,480
uh in the last

918
00:40:40,490 --> 00:40:39,240
you know let's let's let's let's just go

919
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:40,500
with it except for the last five years

920
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:42,720
it's been avoided

921
00:40:48,650 --> 00:40:46,800
um now apparently this is going on what

922
00:40:50,450 --> 00:40:48,660
with all of your research and what

923
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:50,460
you've been exposed to

924
00:40:56,690 --> 00:40:53,040
is E.T right now

925
00:40:59,810 --> 00:40:58,310
I don't want to call them E.T because

926
00:41:02,270 --> 00:40:59,820
I'm not sure they're extraterrestrial

927
00:41:04,430 --> 00:41:02,280
but there's something here I mean that

928
00:41:07,490 --> 00:41:04,440
I'm you know

929
00:41:09,650 --> 00:41:07,500
again it's so I was explaining on um I

930
00:41:11,810 --> 00:41:09,660
actually did a podcast with uh Ryan

931
00:41:15,530 --> 00:41:11,820
Graves last week

932
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:15,540
um the pilot the pilot uh down in Orange

933
00:41:17,569 --> 00:41:16,800
County

934
00:41:21,650 --> 00:41:17,579
um

935
00:41:24,109 --> 00:41:21,660
and I was explaining that there are

936
00:41:26,329 --> 00:41:24,119
there are different languages for

937
00:41:28,490 --> 00:41:26,339
different people or there's there's a

938
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:28,500
different language of proof depending on

939
00:41:33,050 --> 00:41:30,480
who you're talking to

940
00:41:34,730 --> 00:41:33,060
um you know if you're an experiencer

941
00:41:37,370 --> 00:41:34,740
which I am

942
00:41:39,530 --> 00:41:37,380
as people know I've seen things I've

943
00:41:41,150 --> 00:41:39,540
seen things when I was young I'm I'm not

944
00:41:42,910 --> 00:41:41,160
regularly visited or anything like that

945
00:41:45,650 --> 00:41:42,920
and they're not sending me you know

946
00:41:47,810 --> 00:41:45,660
texts or anything I'm not getting any

947
00:41:51,230 --> 00:41:47,820
downloads I'm not getting any downloads

948
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:51,240
from them directly uh but

949
00:41:59,150 --> 00:41:56,930
if you're

950
00:42:01,490 --> 00:41:59,160
um what was I saying that I was thinking

951
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:01,500
across several different that they may

952
00:42:07,849 --> 00:42:05,040
not be E.T oh yeah so

953
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:07,859
um you know there's there's many

954
00:42:12,170 --> 00:42:09,839
different explanations for what they

955
00:42:14,990 --> 00:42:12,180
might be

956
00:42:17,329 --> 00:42:15,000
um and if you just go straight to the

957
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:17,339
Extraterrestrial thing you're you're

958
00:42:20,810 --> 00:42:18,960
you're going to potentially prove

959
00:42:23,210 --> 00:42:20,820
yourself wrong

960
00:42:24,650 --> 00:42:23,220
so that's right I was talking about uh

961
00:42:26,930 --> 00:42:24,660
standards of proof

962
00:42:28,430 --> 00:42:26,940
if you're an experiencer the standard of

963
00:42:30,349 --> 00:42:28,440
proof is I've seen it and I don't need

964
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:30,359
anybody else to tell me what I saw

965
00:42:34,970 --> 00:42:32,160
right especially if it's clear as day

966
00:42:36,829 --> 00:42:34,980
right you go to the extreme yeah you

967
00:42:37,790 --> 00:42:36,839
stay there right it's like I'm it's it I

968
00:42:40,490 --> 00:42:37,800
don't need it I don't need to tell

969
00:42:42,109 --> 00:42:40,500
anybody but from a scientist's

970
00:42:44,510 --> 00:42:42,119
standpoint

971
00:42:45,530 --> 00:42:44,520
that's an anecdote and that's not a

972
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:45,540
that's not saying that there's something

973
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:48,480
wrong with the with the with the with

974
00:42:52,190 --> 00:42:49,920
the story

975
00:42:53,930 --> 00:42:52,200
or that it didn't happen it's just an

976
00:42:57,710 --> 00:42:53,940
anecdote and it's not something that I

977
00:43:01,609 --> 00:42:57,720
can hand to another scientist to analyze

978
00:43:04,010 --> 00:43:01,619
um now in in my field in the clinical

979
00:43:07,309 --> 00:43:04,020
medicine work that I do

980
00:43:09,950 --> 00:43:07,319
um an anecdote is actually let's say a

981
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:09,960
one-off observation of uh of somebody

982
00:43:13,490 --> 00:43:12,000
who comes in they're sick and they have

983
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:13,500
the following

984
00:43:17,329 --> 00:43:15,359
heart condition and we've never seen

985
00:43:18,290 --> 00:43:17,339
this before you know and I take all the

986
00:43:20,210 --> 00:43:18,300
data down

987
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:20,220
and um and I can publish it I can

988
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:23,280
publish a case study simply on that one

989
00:43:26,270 --> 00:43:24,960
thing and it's an anecdote there's

990
00:43:28,370 --> 00:43:26,280
nothing wrong with it

991
00:43:29,809 --> 00:43:28,380
it's not a negative

992
00:43:32,089 --> 00:43:29,819
but

993
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:32,099
it it it's it's science insofar as

994
00:43:37,309 --> 00:43:34,319
somebody else can look at that data and

995
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:37,319
verify that I did the analysis correctly

996
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:39,839
but I can come to very few conclusions

997
00:43:44,030 --> 00:43:42,720
but the the language of science though

998
00:43:46,849 --> 00:43:44,040
really is

999
00:43:48,770 --> 00:43:46,859
I can publish a paper on Atacama with

1000
00:43:51,170 --> 00:43:48,780
all the DNA and somebody else can look

1001
00:43:53,569 --> 00:43:51,180
at that analysis that I did and I and

1002
00:43:55,370 --> 00:43:53,579
either decide that I was you know I was

1003
00:43:56,750 --> 00:43:55,380
right or wrong in whatever conclusions I

1004
00:43:59,210 --> 00:43:56,760
made and we made very few conclusions

1005
00:44:02,870 --> 00:43:59,220
except it was human

1006
00:44:04,730 --> 00:44:02,880
um and but it is then repeatable

1007
00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:04,740
or somebody else can go back to that

1008
00:44:10,970 --> 00:44:07,920
sample again that specimen and redo it

1009
00:44:11,870 --> 00:44:10,980
and prove or disprove whether I'm right

1010
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:11,880
or wrong

1011
00:44:16,970 --> 00:44:14,400
or you know and get better DNA

1012
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:16,980
sequencing we got limited DNA out of it

1013
00:44:20,349 --> 00:44:18,960
right so

1014
00:44:24,109 --> 00:44:20,359
yeah

1015
00:44:26,089 --> 00:44:24,119
those two worlds are separate

1016
00:44:29,809 --> 00:44:26,099
and then there's a third world

1017
00:44:31,609 --> 00:44:29,819
that basically isn't an experiencer and

1018
00:44:34,250 --> 00:44:31,619
they're not a scientist doing anything

1019
00:44:37,250 --> 00:44:34,260
but who do they look to

1020
00:44:38,690 --> 00:44:37,260
for belief structures

1021
00:44:40,190 --> 00:44:38,700
so some of them are perfectly fine

1022
00:44:42,589 --> 00:44:40,200
listening to The Experience here's

1023
00:44:45,650 --> 00:44:42,599
because it makes sense to them yeah hey

1024
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:45,660
Gary can I get you to tilt the camera

1025
00:44:51,970 --> 00:44:48,960
down it's slowly move yeah we're in

1026
00:44:55,849 --> 00:44:51,980
danger of covering your mouth okay okay

1027
00:44:58,370 --> 00:44:55,859
but yeah you're right and they are going

1028
00:45:03,770 --> 00:44:58,380
it it's a journey and it's also a rabbit

1029
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:03,780
hole so go and and and and find the

1030
00:45:10,250 --> 00:45:07,680
closest match in their own mindset right

1031
00:45:14,270 --> 00:45:10,260
but you know it's the there are those

1032
00:45:16,970 --> 00:45:14,280
though who also want to talk will only

1033
00:45:21,530 --> 00:45:16,980
believe it if a scientist believes it

1034
00:45:24,050 --> 00:45:21,540
uh and so what I feel that my let's say

1035
00:45:25,730 --> 00:45:24,060
goal has been in the last several years

1036
00:45:28,069 --> 00:45:25,740
is twofold

1037
00:45:30,290 --> 00:45:28,079
one is to make

1038
00:45:33,950 --> 00:45:30,300
the study of this

1039
00:45:39,710 --> 00:45:37,370
um or not embarrassing

1040
00:45:42,589 --> 00:45:39,720
uh that's the first thing and so but and

1041
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:42,599
and but then and and that is to make

1042
00:45:46,670 --> 00:45:45,119
other scientists to realize look the

1043
00:45:48,109 --> 00:45:46,680
data is real I don't know what the

1044
00:45:50,569 --> 00:45:48,119
conclusions are I've said this before

1045
00:45:55,150 --> 00:45:50,579
it's like it's not reptilians from the

1046
00:46:02,270 --> 00:45:58,370
oh we just lost connection just like

1047
00:46:04,609 --> 00:46:02,280
that okay uh

1048
00:46:07,490 --> 00:46:04,619
uh this is Fade to Black

1049
00:46:10,849 --> 00:46:07,500
and uh now we're talking with Gary uh Dr

1050
00:46:14,030 --> 00:46:10,859
Gary Nolan uh he has just dropped

1051
00:46:16,730 --> 00:46:14,040
offline so I see they're listening oh

1052
00:46:19,849 --> 00:46:16,740
he's back he's back oh he's trying to

1053
00:46:21,770 --> 00:46:19,859
connect I'm watching him maybe he can

1054
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:21,780
hear me now

1055
00:46:29,569 --> 00:46:26,640
and uh yeah see here's the thing as I'm

1056
00:46:34,089 --> 00:46:29,579
watching him sign back in

1057
00:46:38,030 --> 00:46:34,099
um the the conversation uh that

1058
00:46:40,970 --> 00:46:38,040
uh has I I should I'm going to use the

1059
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:40,980
word morph that there is a suggestion

1060
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:43,520
out there and we've heard it many times

1061
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:47,040
that you know extraterrestrial you know

1062
00:46:50,210 --> 00:46:48,960
off-planet star system okay there you

1063
00:46:52,609 --> 00:46:50,220
are Gary

1064
00:46:54,530 --> 00:46:52,619
um what I was uh looking that what I was

1065
00:46:58,609 --> 00:46:54,540
just talking to the audience about as

1066
00:47:02,030 --> 00:46:58,619
the CIA interrupted our broadcast

1067
00:47:04,990 --> 00:47:02,040
um is that uh extraterrestrial E.T

1068
00:47:07,790 --> 00:47:05,000
extraterrestrial civilization and Etc

1069
00:47:09,410 --> 00:47:07,800
off-planet Interstellar somewhere out

1070
00:47:11,569 --> 00:47:09,420
there and then there's another

1071
00:47:14,809 --> 00:47:11,579
conversation that there's something

1072
00:47:16,910 --> 00:47:14,819
going on but it may be terrestrial we

1073
00:47:18,650 --> 00:47:16,920
don't understand it yet could be time

1074
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:18,660
travelers from the future it could be

1075
00:47:21,950 --> 00:47:20,400
something that hasn't been discovered it

1076
00:47:24,829 --> 00:47:21,960
could be something that doesn't want to

1077
00:47:26,450 --> 00:47:24,839
be uh known

1078
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:26,460
um and and this is another part of the

1079
00:47:36,109 --> 00:47:34,069
oh oh oh hold on Gary you're muted

1080
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:36,119
where are you

1081
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:38,400
turn your microphone back on you're

1082
00:47:41,870 --> 00:47:40,800
you're on on this end I'll just let you

1083
00:47:47,569 --> 00:47:41,880
know

1084
00:47:53,329 --> 00:47:50,450
or we can we could sign we could sign

1085
00:47:58,930 --> 00:47:53,339
for the rest of the show

1086
00:48:04,609 --> 00:48:01,430
you're you're I'm just gonna let you

1087
00:48:06,550 --> 00:48:04,619
know you're active over here so you've

1088
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:06,560
got something

1089
00:48:13,010 --> 00:48:09,119
muted or your microphone's turned off

1090
00:48:16,670 --> 00:48:14,930
you can go down to your settings at the

1091
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:16,680
bottom of the page see where it says

1092
00:48:20,690 --> 00:48:18,960
settings uh you just turned it off now

1093
00:48:22,730 --> 00:48:20,700
you turned it back on

1094
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:22,740
okay now go into settings and see what

1095
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:30,770
see here's the thing

1096
00:48:37,069 --> 00:48:34,319
the audience knows Gary after uh 2 000

1097
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:37,079
shows I've been through every possible

1098
00:48:42,609 --> 00:48:40,079
scenario you know if in physics right

1099
00:48:45,950 --> 00:48:42,619
it's all about probabilities I've I've

1100
00:48:47,089 --> 00:48:45,960
probably'd every single version of this

1101
00:48:49,849 --> 00:48:47,099
show

1102
00:48:53,210 --> 00:48:49,859
so uh

1103
00:48:57,950 --> 00:48:56,690
Gary says hang on

1104
00:49:01,849 --> 00:48:57,960
okay

1105
00:49:01,859 --> 00:49:08,870
it uh no yeah

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I'm watching the comments on the live

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if you want Gary I can you want me to

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am your host Jimmy church tonight we

1187
00:52:53,569 --> 00:52:51,960
have Dr Gary Nolan with us and uh let's

1188
00:52:56,690 --> 00:52:53,579
see if we've got everything fixed uh

1189
00:52:59,290 --> 00:52:56,700
Gary how do you hear me oh perfect okay

1190
00:53:03,250 --> 00:52:59,300
you look you know what

1191
00:53:10,370 --> 00:53:06,410
okay I don't know what happened

1192
00:53:12,890 --> 00:53:10,380
um so anyway okay you sound better he's

1193
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:12,900
and you look smarter it's all good for

1194
00:53:18,890 --> 00:53:16,079
the second half of the show okay so uh

1195
00:53:21,790 --> 00:53:18,900
uh what we were talking about is not you

1196
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:21,800
know that things may not be

1197
00:53:28,069 --> 00:53:25,440
extraterrestrial right or an Etc there

1198
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:28,079
might be something else going on uh so

1199
00:53:33,770 --> 00:53:31,680
let's go let's go back and and see if we

1200
00:53:35,089 --> 00:53:33,780
can follow your track on that

1201
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:35,099
so

1202
00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:37,920
um you can tilt the camera again one

1203
00:53:43,790 --> 00:53:40,559
more time just tilt it down there you go

1204
00:53:45,950 --> 00:53:43,800
oh perfect perfect okay so

1205
00:53:47,870 --> 00:53:45,960
um you know it's and and this is hardly

1206
00:53:49,790 --> 00:53:47,880
my idea I mean it's it's really

1207
00:53:52,490 --> 00:53:49,800
something that Jacques valet has been

1208
00:53:55,549 --> 00:53:52,500
pushing for a number of years for which

1209
00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:55,559
he you know earns the the heretic

1210
00:54:02,930 --> 00:54:00,480
amongst Heretics title uh it's um

1211
00:54:06,589 --> 00:54:02,940
it just doesn't make sense

1212
00:54:09,650 --> 00:54:06,599
right I mean does how many anecdotes how

1213
00:54:13,309 --> 00:54:09,660
many anecdotes are there of

1214
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:13,319
UFOs that land in a farmer's field

1215
00:54:17,109 --> 00:54:15,119
you know and the little guy in a silver

1216
00:54:20,329 --> 00:54:17,119
suit gets out and he's fixing his darn

1217
00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:20,339
UFO in the middle of the farmers field I

1218
00:54:24,589 --> 00:54:22,800
mean and and I remember reading some of

1219
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:24,599
Jacques books at the beginning and I was

1220
00:54:31,010 --> 00:54:28,559
struck by his use of the term absurd

1221
00:54:33,890 --> 00:54:31,020
this is a you know how often he used the

1222
00:54:37,490 --> 00:54:33,900
term absurd this is absurd

1223
00:54:42,290 --> 00:54:37,500
um it's a as an evolutionary biologist

1224
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:42,300
it is absurd to me that uh they would

1225
00:54:49,010 --> 00:54:44,640
have two arms two legs and look like us

1226
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:49,020
right it's just to me it just is seems

1227
00:54:54,650 --> 00:54:52,319
out of context so what that tells you is

1228
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:54,660
that and this is a again a term that

1229
00:55:00,349 --> 00:54:57,839
that jock uses it's a system of systems

1230
00:55:02,390 --> 00:55:00,359
that there's somebody here who's playing

1231
00:55:04,430 --> 00:55:02,400
an influence game

1232
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:04,440
there's something here

1233
00:55:10,370 --> 00:55:07,680
I mean that's what I I to me there's

1234
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:10,380
more than enough what I would call in a

1235
00:55:15,530 --> 00:55:13,920
scientific sense preliminary data that

1236
00:55:17,630 --> 00:55:15,540
makes it worth

1237
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:17,640
asking the question

1238
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:19,680
say okay well what is it this is

1239
00:55:27,230 --> 00:55:22,319
fascinating and for certain kinds of

1240
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:27,240
scientists like me I am absolutely

1241
00:55:32,750 --> 00:55:30,720
drawn to these kinds of puzzles I want

1242
00:55:35,650 --> 00:55:32,760
to understand it

1243
00:55:39,370 --> 00:55:35,660
um and I think that the explanation

1244
00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:39,380
whatever it is is going to be

1245
00:55:44,210 --> 00:55:42,480
fascinating but it's so you know I've

1246
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:44,220
used this example I use this example

1247
00:55:48,770 --> 00:55:46,319
with my students a lot there's two kinds

1248
00:55:51,710 --> 00:55:48,780
of questions you can ask one is the if

1249
00:55:54,290 --> 00:55:51,720
the answer is yes that's fantastic if

1250
00:55:56,690 --> 00:55:54,300
the answer is no you've just wasted all

1251
00:55:58,849 --> 00:55:56,700
your time that's the Las Vegas question

1252
00:56:00,530 --> 00:55:58,859
and then there's the answer

1253
00:56:02,150 --> 00:56:00,540
or there's the question that you can ask

1254
00:56:03,470 --> 00:56:02,160
it no matter what the answer is it's

1255
00:56:06,290 --> 00:56:03,480
interesting

1256
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:06,300
and I call those the Zen questions right

1257
00:56:11,270 --> 00:56:08,640
and you should always try to

1258
00:56:12,849 --> 00:56:11,280
maneuver your question or ask it in a

1259
00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:12,859
way that it's interesting no matter what

1260
00:56:19,970 --> 00:56:17,520
now you know I think the whole idea that

1261
00:56:22,430 --> 00:56:19,980
there might or might not be you know E.T

1262
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:22,440
or some sort of intelligence here is

1263
00:56:27,470 --> 00:56:25,440
it's more Zen than

1264
00:56:31,010 --> 00:56:27,480
Las Vegas

1265
00:56:34,910 --> 00:56:31,020
because if it is then it's game changing

1266
00:56:36,589 --> 00:56:34,920
if it isn't it's disappointing but still

1267
00:56:40,190 --> 00:56:36,599
tells us something about the uniqueness

1268
00:56:42,049 --> 00:56:40,200
of Our Lives of life on Earth and so

1269
00:56:44,750 --> 00:56:42,059
therefore you know maybe we should spend

1270
00:56:46,670 --> 00:56:44,760
more time trying to preserve it since

1271
00:56:50,569 --> 00:56:46,680
we're so unique

1272
00:56:53,710 --> 00:56:50,579
um but you know being an experiencer

1273
00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:53,720
myself and having seen something

1274
00:56:59,089 --> 00:56:58,079
uh that to me tells me that it's I mean

1275
00:57:02,210 --> 00:56:59,099
that

1276
00:57:05,630 --> 00:57:02,220
it drives me if you will

1277
00:57:07,490 --> 00:57:05,640
or having other scientists tell me

1278
00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:07,500
I'm being silly

1279
00:57:12,890 --> 00:57:09,839
I'm like okay well I'll prove you wrong

1280
00:57:14,809 --> 00:57:12,900
and my career has been made on I mean

1281
00:57:16,730 --> 00:57:14,819
I've made

1282
00:57:18,770 --> 00:57:16,740
a lot of money

1283
00:57:20,210 --> 00:57:18,780
on people telling me that what I was

1284
00:57:23,750 --> 00:57:20,220
going to be doing was wrong and all that

1285
00:57:26,329 --> 00:57:23,760
did was get me back into the lab

1286
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:26,339
to prove that I was right

1287
00:57:31,069 --> 00:57:29,040
uh and so that's I think

1288
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:31,079
that's at least what what drives me and

1289
00:57:33,589 --> 00:57:32,160
hopefully it drives a lot of other

1290
00:57:34,670 --> 00:57:33,599
people and I know it drives a lot of

1291
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:34,680
other people

1292
00:57:39,069 --> 00:57:38,400
you know when when you say

1293
00:57:42,589 --> 00:57:39,079
um

1294
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:42,599
experiencer and you say it very fluidly

1295
00:57:49,309 --> 00:57:45,359
by the way you know you know the

1296
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:49,319
esoteric term as as as applied in in our

1297
00:57:53,809 --> 00:57:50,880
community

1298
00:57:55,309 --> 00:57:53,819
um but when you say I'm an experiencer

1299
00:57:58,250 --> 00:57:55,319
for the audience

1300
00:58:00,530 --> 00:57:58,260
what is it that you've experienced

1301
00:58:03,290 --> 00:58:00,540
so when I was a paper boy when I was

1302
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:03,300
young uh you know without going into the

1303
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:05,040
whole story uh it was early in the

1304
00:58:08,270 --> 00:58:07,200
morning and I saw a craft go over my

1305
00:58:11,150 --> 00:58:08,280
head

1306
00:58:13,609 --> 00:58:11,160
right uh through the trees and it was

1307
00:58:16,190 --> 00:58:13,619
like March in Connecticut so there were

1308
00:58:18,290 --> 00:58:16,200
no leaves on the trees and you know with

1309
00:58:20,569 --> 00:58:18,300
lights underneath and you know I didn't

1310
00:58:22,849 --> 00:58:20,579
see this I didn't see

1311
00:58:24,349 --> 00:58:22,859
the ship I saw the outline of it and the

1312
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:24,359
lights

1313
00:58:29,150 --> 00:58:25,680
um silent

1314
00:58:31,549 --> 00:58:29,160
I seen earlier in my life little

1315
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:31,559
Little People in my room I know people

1316
00:58:36,589 --> 00:58:33,359
are going to laugh and whatever I don't

1317
00:58:38,089 --> 00:58:36,599
care you know uh and it would happen it

1318
00:58:40,730 --> 00:58:38,099
happened over the course of you know

1319
00:58:42,650 --> 00:58:40,740
several weeks off and on

1320
00:58:46,730 --> 00:58:42,660
but then it wasn't until years later

1321
00:58:50,329 --> 00:58:46,740
that I find out that both of my siblings

1322
00:58:54,770 --> 00:58:50,339
had similar kinds of experiences so you

1323
00:58:56,990 --> 00:58:54,780
know okay maybe we're delusional and we

1324
00:58:58,250 --> 00:58:57,000
have the gene for delusion and seeing

1325
00:59:01,549 --> 00:58:58,260
these things

1326
00:59:03,829 --> 00:59:01,559
fine it's still an interesting answer

1327
00:59:06,109 --> 00:59:03,839
right it's it's you know it's the Zen

1328
00:59:09,890 --> 00:59:06,119
question and it's it's kind of the same

1329
00:59:11,569 --> 00:59:09,900
thing that John Mack you know uh came to

1330
00:59:15,289 --> 00:59:11,579
when he was talking about people who had

1331
00:59:16,670 --> 00:59:15,299
these memories of abductions right he

1332
00:59:19,370 --> 00:59:16,680
says it's either some sort of

1333
00:59:20,930 --> 00:59:19,380
interesting Mass Hysteria

1334
00:59:24,130 --> 00:59:20,940
or it's real

1335
00:59:27,530 --> 00:59:24,140
both are both are equally as frightening

1336
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:27,540
both are frightening and so you know I'm

1337
00:59:30,410 --> 00:59:29,520
I'm interested in those kinds of things

1338
00:59:35,089 --> 00:59:30,420
but

1339
00:59:37,970 --> 00:59:35,099
I'm more interested in just proving or

1340
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:37,980
disproving it because

1341
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:42,000
I always and I made my career and I made

1342
00:59:48,530 --> 00:59:46,319
my you know whatever I have monetarily

1343
00:59:50,510 --> 00:59:48,540
by looking at things and saying this is

1344
00:59:53,450 --> 00:59:50,520
what I can do with it

1345
00:59:56,030 --> 00:59:53,460
and so I look at what we're

1346
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:56,040
dealing with today and what it is that

1347
01:00:00,109 --> 00:59:57,839
people think they're seeing and I see

1348
01:00:02,089 --> 01:00:00,119
opportunity for Humanity

1349
01:00:04,670 --> 01:00:02,099
you know not for like Globe I mean yes

1350
01:00:06,890 --> 01:00:04,680
Global Peace etc etc but that

1351
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:06,900
that's beyond me

1352
01:00:12,109 --> 01:00:10,319
um I'm more interested in the

1353
01:00:15,470 --> 01:00:12,119
you know the

1354
01:00:18,770 --> 01:00:15,480
how do we exploit in the best possible

1355
01:00:20,690 --> 01:00:18,780
use of the term how do we exploit the

1356
01:00:24,549 --> 01:00:20,700
observations

1357
01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:24,559
the technology that apparently is there

1358
01:00:31,849 --> 01:00:29,520
uh to better enable things for humans or

1359
01:00:35,450 --> 01:00:31,859
let's say

1360
01:00:36,890 --> 01:00:35,460
um even if we don't see the we can't get

1361
01:00:39,130 --> 01:00:36,900
a hold of the technology or understand

1362
01:00:42,349 --> 01:00:39,140
it how do we

1363
01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:42,359
re-jigger our understanding of physics

1364
01:00:52,670 --> 01:00:46,079
to accommodate what we're seeing

1365
01:00:55,370 --> 01:00:52,680
and so in either direction it expands us

1366
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:55,380
I mean I had first met Hal put off years

1367
01:00:58,789 --> 01:00:56,400
ago

1368
01:01:03,170 --> 01:00:58,799
when he basically took me through his

1369
01:01:04,849 --> 01:01:03,180
equations Hal and Eric uh Davis it took

1370
01:01:07,250 --> 01:01:04,859
me through their equations that showed

1371
01:01:09,109 --> 01:01:07,260
well look we don't know how they do it

1372
01:01:12,109 --> 01:01:09,119
but this is

1373
01:01:13,910 --> 01:01:12,119
how you can basically alter some of the

1374
01:01:17,390 --> 01:01:13,920
terms of Einstein's equations I never

1375
01:01:19,069 --> 01:01:17,400
realized that physics was so malleable

1376
01:01:21,650 --> 01:01:19,079
um and uh

1377
01:01:23,630 --> 01:01:21,660
and this is how you can alter it with

1378
01:01:26,270 --> 01:01:23,640
just an input of more energy than we

1379
01:01:28,069 --> 01:01:26,280
previously had assumed was possible

1380
01:01:31,670 --> 01:01:28,079
and so I remember actually stepping into

1381
01:01:34,549 --> 01:01:31,680
an elevator with Hal at a because we got

1382
01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:34,559
together on a for regular meetings with

1383
01:01:38,569 --> 01:01:36,240
like the let's say the invisible college

1384
01:01:40,010 --> 01:01:38,579
group and

1385
01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:40,020
um I said so

1386
01:01:44,089 --> 01:01:41,280
okay

1387
01:01:48,250 --> 01:01:44,099
they're cheating aren't they somehow

1388
01:01:51,609 --> 01:01:48,260
they're they're they found a work around

1389
01:01:54,470 --> 01:01:51,619
to gaining access to the energy

1390
01:01:57,250 --> 01:01:54,480
locally that they don't need to have

1391
01:02:01,010 --> 01:01:57,260
like a you know a giant extension cord

1392
01:02:03,589 --> 01:02:01,020
plugged in to do what they're doing

1393
01:02:06,770 --> 01:02:03,599
so they're they're they've they've got

1394
01:02:10,010 --> 01:02:06,780
local control of energy extraction

1395
01:02:12,170 --> 01:02:10,020
and then local control and generation of

1396
01:02:13,849 --> 01:02:12,180
the of the fields that allow them to do

1397
01:02:15,710 --> 01:02:13,859
what they're doing

1398
01:02:19,190 --> 01:02:15,720
they either have local access to this

1399
01:02:21,170 --> 01:02:19,200
stuff or it's being beamed from the 95th

1400
01:02:23,089 --> 01:02:21,180
Dimension somehow

1401
01:02:24,770 --> 01:02:23,099
you know or it's conscious it's easy

1402
01:02:28,370 --> 01:02:24,780
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah because it's

1403
01:02:31,010 --> 01:02:28,380
easy you know if we look at it uh you

1404
01:02:33,049 --> 01:02:31,020
know it's this big because it's we we

1405
01:02:35,990 --> 01:02:33,059
look at it with what we understand today

1406
01:02:38,510 --> 01:02:36,000
and and when we step into that we think

1407
01:02:40,430 --> 01:02:38,520
no that's just impossible it's just a no

1408
01:02:43,789 --> 01:02:40,440
you know it's got to be so difficult

1409
01:02:46,250 --> 01:02:43,799
it's just crazy it defies they they do

1410
01:02:49,970 --> 01:02:46,260
it because it's easy the thing that we

1411
01:02:54,109 --> 01:02:49,980
do today would be black magic 100 years

1412
01:02:55,849 --> 01:02:54,119
ago I mean another total black magic

1413
01:02:57,789 --> 01:02:55,859
um like you know the big announcement

1414
01:03:01,010 --> 01:02:57,799
you know happened today

1415
01:03:03,349 --> 01:03:01,020
uh Fusion the fusion announcement yeah

1416
01:03:07,789 --> 01:03:03,359
yeah right down the street uh

1417
01:03:10,370 --> 01:03:07,799
from you uh that's again 100 years ago

1418
01:03:13,010 --> 01:03:10,380
this is black magic and and today we're

1419
01:03:16,789 --> 01:03:13,020
dropping hydrogen pellets into into

1420
01:03:19,309 --> 01:03:16,799
lasers right and right more energy out

1421
01:03:22,069 --> 01:03:19,319
of it than what is going into it and

1422
01:03:24,170 --> 01:03:22,079
accomplishing Fusion for the first time

1423
01:03:26,390 --> 01:03:24,180
um that's a really big deal and and it's

1424
01:03:29,210 --> 01:03:26,400
going to be easy for us

1425
01:03:31,910 --> 01:03:29,220
eventually yeah 20 30 years from now

1426
01:03:34,250 --> 01:03:31,920
when we figure out the tricks and so you

1427
01:03:36,710 --> 01:03:34,260
know I I see it as or at least the

1428
01:03:38,750 --> 01:03:36,720
observations people make and even if we

1429
01:03:41,089 --> 01:03:38,760
never truly reverse engineer what

1430
01:03:43,789 --> 01:03:41,099
they're doing you know when you look at

1431
01:03:45,950 --> 01:03:43,799
a bird and you realize it can fly for

1432
01:03:47,329 --> 01:03:45,960
thousands of years humans decided they

1433
01:03:49,430 --> 01:03:47,339
wanted to try

1434
01:03:51,349 --> 01:03:49,440
right and so we see something moving and

1435
01:03:55,309 --> 01:03:51,359
so you know some people have called

1436
01:03:57,230 --> 01:03:55,319
these observations breadcrumb trails

1437
01:03:59,390 --> 01:03:57,240
that they're basically showing us what

1438
01:04:00,289 --> 01:03:59,400
can be done they're not going to give it

1439
01:04:04,670 --> 01:04:00,299
to us

1440
01:04:07,789 --> 01:04:04,680
because you don't give anybody stuff for

1441
01:04:09,829 --> 01:04:07,799
free you know you can give them a

1442
01:04:11,569 --> 01:04:09,839
technology and they won't understand it

1443
01:04:14,470 --> 01:04:11,579
and so what good is that then you're

1444
01:04:16,970 --> 01:04:14,480
dependent on them

1445
01:04:19,250 --> 01:04:16,980
all you have to do that's what that's

1446
01:04:22,849 --> 01:04:19,260
what I love about humans

1447
01:04:24,470 --> 01:04:22,859
um just give somebody the idea and then

1448
01:04:27,049 --> 01:04:24,480
you run with it just giving the idea of

1449
01:04:29,569 --> 01:04:27,059
birds flying right right whatever it may

1450
01:04:32,750 --> 01:04:29,579
be give somebody that warp drives give

1451
01:04:34,730 --> 01:04:32,760
somebody the idea of that and then let's

1452
01:04:36,890 --> 01:04:34,740
see what comes of it and and that's

1453
01:04:39,770 --> 01:04:36,900
that's how we uh that's how we got here

1454
01:04:43,069 --> 01:04:39,780
today yeah that's how you get that's how

1455
01:04:46,069 --> 01:04:43,079
you progress so you know but

1456
01:04:49,250 --> 01:04:46,079
I mean back to what it is and where it's

1457
01:04:50,630 --> 01:04:49,260
from I mean you're you've probably had

1458
01:04:52,450 --> 01:04:50,640
guests on who've talked about everything

1459
01:04:54,890 --> 01:04:52,460
from time travelers to

1460
01:04:58,430 --> 01:04:54,900
inter-dimensionals to you know you name

1461
01:05:01,250 --> 01:04:58,440
it but I mean just imagine just

1462
01:05:05,210 --> 01:05:01,260
for a moment if there are such things as

1463
01:05:06,650 --> 01:05:05,220
separate universes or Multiverse

1464
01:05:08,450 --> 01:05:06,660
you know so

1465
01:05:11,870 --> 01:05:08,460
they don't necessarily all track with

1466
01:05:15,010 --> 01:05:11,880
the same timeline in fact the you know

1467
01:05:17,870 --> 01:05:15,020
the equations say that there could be

1468
01:05:19,130 --> 01:05:17,880
universes that are a billion years old

1469
01:05:22,010 --> 01:05:19,140
to the extent that we're in the same

1470
01:05:23,329 --> 01:05:22,020
timeline at all or a hundred trillion

1471
01:05:24,609 --> 01:05:23,339
years old

1472
01:05:28,069 --> 01:05:24,619
so

1473
01:05:30,890 --> 01:05:28,079
give one or more species a hundred

1474
01:05:33,829 --> 01:05:30,900
trillion years and what could it become

1475
01:05:36,410 --> 01:05:33,839
as far as we're concerned gods

1476
01:05:40,069 --> 01:05:36,420
and so maybe they can walk across

1477
01:05:41,809 --> 01:05:40,079
the dimensions just by mere thought

1478
01:05:43,789 --> 01:05:41,819
maybe that's part of what we're seeing

1479
01:05:46,010 --> 01:05:43,799
here I don't know yeah but I think it's

1480
01:05:49,069 --> 01:05:46,020
fun to think about it is fun to think

1481
01:05:50,930 --> 01:05:49,079
about and I used to

1482
01:05:54,109 --> 01:05:50,940
um and especially when I when I go back

1483
01:05:56,690 --> 01:05:54,119
historically and I you know you go back

1484
01:06:00,349 --> 01:05:56,700
to keyhoe's books and and stuff that was

1485
01:06:03,710 --> 01:06:00,359
written in in the early 50s and what was

1486
01:06:05,870 --> 01:06:03,720
being seen in the skies versus

1487
01:06:07,370 --> 01:06:05,880
um including myself and you know what

1488
01:06:09,530 --> 01:06:07,380
you've seen

1489
01:06:14,450 --> 01:06:09,540
um what is going on today it would

1490
01:06:16,910 --> 01:06:14,460
suggest to me that the idea of an ET

1491
01:06:19,609 --> 01:06:16,920
sitting in a little flying saucer in a

1492
01:06:22,250 --> 01:06:19,619
little chair without a bed without a

1493
01:06:23,930 --> 01:06:22,260
pool without anything to do for a

1494
01:06:25,490 --> 01:06:23,940
million years going across the universe

1495
01:06:27,049 --> 01:06:25,500
in a nuts and bolts crafts just to

1496
01:06:29,809 --> 01:06:27,059
arrive here that doesn't make any sense

1497
01:06:31,309 --> 01:06:29,819
today right because we understand the

1498
01:06:34,010 --> 01:06:31,319
size of the universe and what is going

1499
01:06:36,529 --> 01:06:34,020
on a lot better than we used to

1500
01:06:42,109 --> 01:06:36,539
um that may be it's just what you're

1501
01:06:45,170 --> 01:06:42,119
suggesting here that the travel of uh in

1502
01:06:50,450 --> 01:06:45,180
a linear sense it may be you know

1503
01:06:53,270 --> 01:06:50,460
millions of aus yes okay okay but the

1504
01:06:55,849 --> 01:06:53,280
time to do it may only take a couple of

1505
01:06:57,950 --> 01:06:55,859
seconds and they're not traveling

1506
01:06:59,390 --> 01:06:57,960
they're doing something else I always

1507
01:07:02,630 --> 01:06:59,400
find it

1508
01:07:05,410 --> 01:07:02,640
almost ridiculous that a you know these

1509
01:07:08,270 --> 01:07:05,420
so-called mainstream scientists

1510
01:07:09,710 --> 01:07:08,280
uh will say oh well it they can't be

1511
01:07:13,370 --> 01:07:09,720
because the amount of time it takes to

1512
01:07:15,109 --> 01:07:13,380
get here on based on our physics is too

1513
01:07:18,170 --> 01:07:15,119
long well what happens if they have

1514
01:07:20,990 --> 01:07:18,180
different physics you know yeah I mean

1515
01:07:22,849 --> 01:07:21,000
where did you come from you know I would

1516
01:07:25,789 --> 01:07:22,859
fail you if you said something

1517
01:07:28,609 --> 01:07:25,799
comparable in uh you know in a biology

1518
01:07:29,990 --> 01:07:28,619
context and I was your on your thesis I

1519
01:07:33,650 --> 01:07:30,000
would absolutely

1520
01:07:38,510 --> 01:07:36,049
I wouldn't want to be your student I'm

1521
01:07:40,910 --> 01:07:38,520
I'm nice I'm nice but but until they put

1522
01:07:42,890 --> 01:07:40,920
they've I have gotten angry a few times

1523
01:07:44,170 --> 01:07:42,900
when people got go a little bit like

1524
01:07:49,250 --> 01:07:44,180
okay

1525
01:07:50,230 --> 01:07:49,260
second

1526
01:07:52,910 --> 01:07:50,240
um

1527
01:07:54,770 --> 01:07:52,920
the I mean this is part of the you know

1528
01:07:56,569 --> 01:07:54,780
this is pretty public now so I'm just

1529
01:07:58,670 --> 01:07:56,579
gonna lay it out there pretty directly

1530
01:08:02,390 --> 01:07:58,680
the CIA

1531
01:08:05,329 --> 01:08:02,400
and some others right show up at your

1532
01:08:06,710 --> 01:08:05,339
office right it's Stanford yeah um were

1533
01:08:10,630 --> 01:08:06,720
they invited

1534
01:08:13,370 --> 01:08:10,640
not by me not by you okay so

1535
01:08:17,570 --> 01:08:13,380
you weren't expecting this is is my

1536
01:08:19,789 --> 01:08:17,580
point right yeah no and and how does uh

1537
01:08:21,950 --> 01:08:19,799
we're going to talk about the reason for

1538
01:08:24,709 --> 01:08:21,960
them being there in just a second but

1539
01:08:27,289 --> 01:08:24,719
how does that introduction happen

1540
01:08:29,870 --> 01:08:27,299
um what was said and and how did they

1541
01:08:32,990 --> 01:08:29,880
introduce themselves

1542
01:08:36,709 --> 01:08:33,000
um well they introduced themselves as uh

1543
01:08:39,470 --> 01:08:36,719
somebody associated with the CIA uh or

1544
01:08:40,729 --> 01:08:39,480
CIA and what all I heard was CIA at the

1545
01:08:43,249 --> 01:08:40,739
time

1546
01:08:45,769 --> 01:08:43,259
um and uh somebody from Aeronautics

1547
01:08:52,249 --> 01:08:45,779
Corporation

1548
01:08:52,809 --> 01:08:52,259
talk to me about uh these

1549
01:08:55,550 --> 01:08:52,819
um

1550
01:08:57,370 --> 01:08:55,560
pilots and military people and others

1551
01:09:01,030 --> 01:08:57,380
who had been harmed

1552
01:09:03,410 --> 01:09:01,040
are by something

1553
01:09:06,169 --> 01:09:03,420
was that Eric Davis

1554
01:09:08,090 --> 01:09:06,179
no it wasn't okay he he works for

1555
01:09:10,030 --> 01:09:08,100
Aeronautics today though right yeah he

1556
01:09:12,590 --> 01:09:10,040
works for Aerospace corporations

1557
01:09:14,990 --> 01:09:12,600
at the time he was working with Earth

1558
01:09:17,809 --> 01:09:15,000
Tech with Hal right

1559
01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:17,819
um and uh you know I mean it's it's no

1560
01:09:24,050 --> 01:09:19,920
secret who those people were it was

1561
01:09:26,930 --> 01:09:24,060
called Kelleher and kit green right

1562
01:09:28,910 --> 01:09:26,940
um Bigelow Aerospace and you know and

1563
01:09:30,650 --> 01:09:28,920
kit has been with the CIA for a long

1564
01:09:33,110 --> 01:09:30,660
time

1565
01:09:36,530 --> 01:09:33,120
um and uh

1566
01:09:38,689 --> 01:09:36,540
and I didn't realize it but then and so

1567
01:09:41,689 --> 01:09:38,699
we had our conversation about what it

1568
01:09:44,030 --> 01:09:41,699
was that they had seen or sorry they

1569
01:09:45,050 --> 01:09:44,040
what they were going to show me and with

1570
01:09:46,309 --> 01:09:45,060
the

1571
01:09:48,410 --> 01:09:46,319
um

1572
01:09:52,669 --> 01:09:48,420
with the x-rays and these are the MRIs

1573
01:09:55,250 --> 01:09:52,679
and things uh but about two weeks later

1574
01:09:57,709 --> 01:09:55,260
or was it maybe only a week later I had

1575
01:09:59,390 --> 01:09:57,719
gotten a phone call from one of my

1576
01:10:00,770 --> 01:09:59,400
colleagues saying there's this guy

1577
01:10:02,870 --> 01:10:00,780
Jacques valet

1578
01:10:04,669 --> 01:10:02,880
who's been asking about you and he wants

1579
01:10:09,229 --> 01:10:04,679
to meet you

1580
01:10:11,810 --> 01:10:09,239
and so we had lunch at the Rosewood

1581
01:10:15,110 --> 01:10:11,820
um hotel which is at the top of

1582
01:10:17,030 --> 01:10:15,120
um Sandhill Road in Palo Alto Menlo Park

1583
01:10:18,590 --> 01:10:17,040
and I didn't realize that they were

1584
01:10:22,850 --> 01:10:18,600
basically working together and they were

1585
01:10:25,850 --> 01:10:22,860
kind of triangulating on me to figure

1586
01:10:28,189 --> 01:10:25,860
out who I was and what they were looking

1587
01:10:29,510 --> 01:10:28,199
to see if they could basically bring me

1588
01:10:33,470 --> 01:10:29,520
into their

1589
01:10:34,910 --> 01:10:33,480
a little group of as another scientist

1590
01:10:37,070 --> 01:10:34,920
willing to

1591
01:10:40,070 --> 01:10:37,080
you know do

1592
01:10:42,050 --> 01:10:40,080
you know think reasonably about the area

1593
01:10:44,090 --> 01:10:42,060
without going off the reservation in

1594
01:10:47,030 --> 01:10:44,100
either direction

1595
01:10:48,729 --> 01:10:47,040
so now

1596
01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:48,739
um

1597
01:10:56,870 --> 01:10:54,719
was K yeah no more you haven't let me

1598
01:10:59,870 --> 01:10:56,880
finish let me ask the question okay

1599
01:11:01,390 --> 01:10:59,880
sorry go ahead I'm assuming it was kit

1600
01:11:03,370 --> 01:11:01,400
uh

1601
01:11:05,870 --> 01:11:03,380
that said

1602
01:11:06,910 --> 01:11:05,880
including somebody that has touched a

1603
01:11:11,090 --> 01:11:06,920
craft

1604
01:11:13,310 --> 01:11:11,100
higher that he was talking about

1605
01:11:15,470 --> 01:11:13,320
rendelshim

1606
01:11:19,310 --> 01:11:15,480
um and probably John Burroughs and and

1607
01:11:22,189 --> 01:11:19,320
Jim peniston uh did were you told these

1608
01:11:24,350 --> 01:11:22,199
things at that time and no okay I had no

1609
01:11:27,110 --> 01:11:24,360
idea but Randall sham and I had no idea

1610
01:11:28,910 --> 01:11:27,120
about any of this stuff I mean

1611
01:11:30,830 --> 01:11:28,920
um I mean I might have seen it in a

1612
01:11:35,810 --> 01:11:30,840
YouTube but you know I I didn't know

1613
01:11:39,470 --> 01:11:35,820
John or or any of the people at the time

1614
01:11:42,350 --> 01:11:39,480
um I mean they basically kept me uh at

1615
01:11:46,790 --> 01:11:42,360
the periphery for probably about six

1616
01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:46,800
months to a year uh until finally

1617
01:11:54,830 --> 01:11:50,400
um I was allowed to meet the whole group

1618
01:11:58,550 --> 01:11:54,840
and I happened to be down in um

1619
01:12:01,790 --> 01:11:58,560
happened to be in uh

1620
01:12:03,290 --> 01:12:01,800
Austin for some other thing and I said

1621
01:12:06,410 --> 01:12:03,300
hey I called up Hal

1622
01:12:07,970 --> 01:12:06,420
because I've been introduced to him

1623
01:12:11,810 --> 01:12:07,980
and they wanted me to meet Eric Davis

1624
01:12:13,669 --> 01:12:11,820
and that was a really unique meeting

1625
01:12:15,430 --> 01:12:13,679
um with Eric and I realized okay this

1626
01:12:19,250 --> 01:12:15,440
guy's this guy's special

1627
01:12:20,810 --> 01:12:19,260
uh in many in many positive ways

1628
01:12:26,450 --> 01:12:20,820
um and then I met the rest of the group

1629
01:12:28,550 --> 01:12:26,460
uh that were um you know basically uh in

1630
01:12:29,689 --> 01:12:28,560
continual contact about it and I

1631
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:29,699
realized

1632
01:12:33,709 --> 01:12:30,960
as

1633
01:12:36,950 --> 01:12:33,719
I got invited to the first sort of

1634
01:12:39,890 --> 01:12:36,960
of their more formal meetings

1635
01:12:44,090 --> 01:12:39,900
um that this was the Brain Trust

1636
01:12:46,850 --> 01:12:44,100
of ufology right the scientific Brain

1637
01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:46,860
Trust of ufology

1638
01:12:50,750 --> 01:12:48,000
um and that was when I started hearing

1639
01:12:52,490 --> 01:12:50,760
about Skinwalker Ranch and all these

1640
01:12:55,310 --> 01:12:52,500
things and I thought to myself what am I

1641
01:12:58,850 --> 01:12:55,320
getting myself into this is

1642
01:13:01,310 --> 01:12:58,860
you know this is mind-blowing and yet

1643
01:13:02,390 --> 01:13:01,320
they are all completely serious so at

1644
01:13:03,890 --> 01:13:02,400
the very least I'm going to hang around

1645
01:13:05,870 --> 01:13:03,900
for the ride

1646
01:13:07,570 --> 01:13:05,880
because this seems

1647
01:13:12,110 --> 01:13:07,580
interesting

1648
01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:12,120
there is uh there's a situation that

1649
01:13:18,169 --> 01:13:15,120
that you're exposed to

1650
01:13:21,430 --> 01:13:18,179
um in in in meeting these guys and that

1651
01:13:26,030 --> 01:13:21,440
is what is it that they really know or

1652
01:13:28,370 --> 01:13:26,040
are they chasing answers but they

1653
01:13:31,370 --> 01:13:28,380
haven't officially you know they haven't

1654
01:13:34,070 --> 01:13:31,380
interviewed ET at Area 51 right or had

1655
01:13:37,010 --> 01:13:34,080
lunch in the cafeteria or they haven't

1656
01:13:39,890 --> 01:13:37,020
stepped on board of a craft except for

1657
01:13:42,169 --> 01:13:39,900
maybe Eric Davis but stepped on board

1658
01:13:45,470 --> 01:13:42,179
you know backwards engine no they're

1659
01:13:47,149 --> 01:13:45,480
they're chasing answers you know and

1660
01:13:49,070 --> 01:13:47,159
it's it's one or the other there's not

1661
01:13:51,770 --> 01:13:49,080
really a whole gray area there either

1662
01:13:55,370 --> 01:13:51,780
you know where you don't what is it that

1663
01:13:56,930 --> 01:13:55,380
what was your general uh feeling of that

1664
01:13:58,970 --> 01:13:56,940
did you do you think that they were in

1665
01:14:03,410 --> 01:13:58,980
the No-No or that they were still trying

1666
01:14:06,229 --> 01:14:03,420
to no I think that they were they'd all

1667
01:14:10,130 --> 01:14:06,239
been shown enough to know that there was

1668
01:14:13,010 --> 01:14:10,140
a there there but to my knowledge none

1669
01:14:16,189 --> 01:14:13,020
of them have ever apart from you know

1670
01:14:18,530 --> 01:14:16,199
some things that Eric have said uh none

1671
01:14:19,970 --> 01:14:18,540
of them had been admitted to be in the

1672
01:14:22,130 --> 01:14:19,980
know which made me think something

1673
01:14:23,810 --> 01:14:22,140
interesting is that you know here you

1674
01:14:25,970 --> 01:14:23,820
had a group group of people who For

1675
01:14:27,610 --> 01:14:25,980
Better or Worse are being kept out of

1676
01:14:31,490 --> 01:14:27,620
the no

1677
01:14:34,729 --> 01:14:31,500
uh and is associating myself with such a

1678
01:14:38,090 --> 01:14:34,739
group going to keep me out of the know

1679
01:14:39,830 --> 01:14:38,100
uh and so it was you know it was but it

1680
01:14:42,110 --> 01:14:39,840
was a it was a risk worth taking because

1681
01:14:45,950 --> 01:14:42,120
it was more than any of my colleagues

1682
01:14:49,970 --> 01:14:45,960
had and we would hash over some really

1683
01:14:52,070 --> 01:14:49,980
fascinating cases uh that uh had come up

1684
01:14:54,530 --> 01:14:52,080
each you know every six or so months

1685
01:14:57,890 --> 01:14:54,540
that we would get together

1686
01:15:03,290 --> 01:14:57,900
um but because of it it eventually led

1687
01:15:05,030 --> 01:15:03,300
me to you know ttsa and meeting Lou and

1688
01:15:07,970 --> 01:15:05,040
meeting Chris Mellon and then meeting

1689
01:15:10,910 --> 01:15:07,980
any of a number of other people that I

1690
01:15:11,810 --> 01:15:10,920
can't talk about who are closer to the

1691
01:15:13,850 --> 01:15:11,820
no

1692
01:15:17,209 --> 01:15:13,860
uh and

1693
01:15:19,790 --> 01:15:17,219
um so you know without

1694
01:15:21,530 --> 01:15:19,800
betraying any confidences and I haven't

1695
01:15:23,229 --> 01:15:21,540
signed any ndas or anything like that

1696
01:15:26,149 --> 01:15:23,239
this is all just personal confidences

1697
01:15:28,729 --> 01:15:26,159
with individuals

1698
01:15:31,910 --> 01:15:28,739
um I am more convinced now

1699
01:15:33,830 --> 01:15:31,920
that uh it's very close that there are

1700
01:15:36,890 --> 01:15:33,840
people who are very close

1701
01:15:41,149 --> 01:15:36,900
and uh I want your I want your opinion

1702
01:15:44,570 --> 01:15:41,159
on this I have said this a lot and um I

1703
01:15:46,850 --> 01:15:44,580
mean you know I've I've I'm pretty close

1704
01:15:50,870 --> 01:15:46,860
to this this group and I've I've

1705
01:15:53,290 --> 01:15:50,880
communicated a lot with them but

1706
01:15:55,250 --> 01:15:53,300
um that being said

1707
01:15:58,669 --> 01:15:55,260
I feel

1708
01:16:02,030 --> 01:15:58,679
that anybody in the know

1709
01:16:06,649 --> 01:16:02,040
I mean like for real we'll never know

1710
01:16:09,649 --> 01:16:06,659
their names yeah I agree probably yeah

1711
01:16:12,890 --> 01:16:09,659
I agree you know I think that whoever it

1712
01:16:16,570 --> 01:16:12,900
is is vetted really quite well

1713
01:16:20,030 --> 01:16:16,580
um so you know what are the

1714
01:16:21,709 --> 01:16:20,040
categories uh by which information will

1715
01:16:24,830 --> 01:16:21,719
eventually get out

1716
01:16:26,770 --> 01:16:24,840
either a leak or somebody comes forward

1717
01:16:30,229 --> 01:16:26,780
you know we've all heard the deathbed

1718
01:16:32,930 --> 01:16:30,239
Confessions by people but those

1719
01:16:37,630 --> 01:16:32,940
again they just end up being anecdotes

1720
01:16:40,850 --> 01:16:37,640
at the end of the day right or you know

1721
01:16:44,689 --> 01:16:40,860
somebody gets to a crash before

1722
01:16:48,350 --> 01:16:46,550
um

1723
01:16:50,870 --> 01:16:48,360
or

1724
01:16:52,250 --> 01:16:50,880
as scientists and this is what I'm

1725
01:16:55,010 --> 01:16:52,260
trying to do and it might be a vain

1726
01:16:55,970 --> 01:16:55,020
attempt Vein on in every sense of the

1727
01:16:59,149 --> 01:16:55,980
word

1728
01:17:02,209 --> 01:16:59,159
uh fruitless as well as self

1729
01:17:08,750 --> 01:17:02,990
um

1730
01:17:13,070 --> 01:17:08,760
well said by the way I'm going to set up

1731
01:17:16,070 --> 01:17:13,080
a analysis pipeline including things

1732
01:17:17,630 --> 01:17:16,080
that aren't available to anybody on the

1733
01:17:20,689 --> 01:17:17,640
planet

1734
01:17:23,270 --> 01:17:20,699
that allow me to analyze things at a

1735
01:17:25,250 --> 01:17:23,280
level of

1736
01:17:27,350 --> 01:17:25,260
um granularity

1737
01:17:29,990 --> 01:17:27,360
that

1738
01:17:33,709 --> 01:17:30,000
hopefully will make

1739
01:17:35,510 --> 01:17:33,719
it sort of uh a necessity for somebody

1740
01:17:38,090 --> 01:17:35,520
to come forward with the stuff and say

1741
01:17:40,490 --> 01:17:38,100
help us understand it

1742
01:17:43,370 --> 01:17:40,500
all right and and is that kind of

1743
01:17:45,470 --> 01:17:43,380
transparency uh is that something that

1744
01:17:48,110 --> 01:17:45,480
would freak out the planet or do you

1745
01:17:51,229 --> 01:17:48,120
think that word you know pretty much uh

1746
01:17:53,090 --> 01:17:51,239
we we can deal with things now you know

1747
01:17:54,890 --> 01:17:53,100
but I mean I I think we can D I think

1748
01:17:56,510 --> 01:17:54,900
mentally we can deal with it I mean

1749
01:17:59,330 --> 01:17:56,520
religions might have a little bit of an

1750
01:18:02,390 --> 01:17:59,340
issue trying to decide whether you know

1751
01:18:04,790 --> 01:18:02,400
uh you know the aliens have the same

1752
01:18:07,490 --> 01:18:04,800
kind of gods that we do or or not or

1753
01:18:08,810 --> 01:18:07,500
whatever it is aliens

1754
01:18:13,250 --> 01:18:08,820
um but

1755
01:18:16,390 --> 01:18:13,260
I'm more wondering about what is it that

1756
01:18:20,630 --> 01:18:16,400
someone feels is so compellingly scary

1757
01:18:22,189 --> 01:18:20,640
that we can't be let known about it I

1758
01:18:24,709 --> 01:18:22,199
mean you can go down in a number of

1759
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:24,719
nightmare scenarios that I won't repeat

1760
01:18:28,669 --> 01:18:26,400
here just because then people say that

1761
01:18:31,010 --> 01:18:28,679
that's what I I think is going on and

1762
01:18:33,350 --> 01:18:31,020
they I end up chasing myself across the

1763
01:18:34,790 --> 01:18:33,360
internet forever

1764
01:18:36,950 --> 01:18:34,800
um

1765
01:18:40,669 --> 01:18:36,960
you know it's it's I mean just some

1766
01:18:43,850 --> 01:18:40,679
simple things if energy at that kind of

1767
01:18:47,689 --> 01:18:43,860
level is so easy to access are you

1768
01:18:50,810 --> 01:18:47,699
giving everybody a nuclear bomb

1769
01:18:54,530 --> 01:18:50,820
and if anti-gravity is so easy

1770
01:18:58,250 --> 01:18:54,540
or could be made available or travel

1771
01:18:59,990 --> 01:18:58,260
could be made so easy what's to stop

1772
01:19:01,669 --> 01:19:00,000
a terrorist from going out to the

1773
01:19:04,430 --> 01:19:01,679
asteroid belt and putting pushing one

1774
01:19:08,390 --> 01:19:06,530
um so you know I mean there are quite

1775
01:19:10,850 --> 01:19:08,400
reasonable

1776
01:19:12,350 --> 01:19:10,860
reasons why you might not want that kind

1777
01:19:13,189 --> 01:19:12,360
of technology to get out and you say

1778
01:19:15,169 --> 01:19:13,199
well you don't have to give me the

1779
01:19:16,550 --> 01:19:15,179
technology to tell me that exists but

1780
01:19:19,010 --> 01:19:16,560
the moment that you tell somebody that

1781
01:19:21,530 --> 01:19:19,020
it exists by virtue of saying that there

1782
01:19:25,790 --> 01:19:21,540
are ETS or aliens you basically are

1783
01:19:27,590 --> 01:19:25,800
saying okay well the next question is

1784
01:19:28,550 --> 01:19:27,600
where are their vehicles and how do they

1785
01:19:32,030 --> 01:19:28,560
do it

1786
01:19:33,410 --> 01:19:32,040
and so it becomes it's like I I get the

1787
01:19:35,450 --> 01:19:33,420
feeling sometimes that they just don't

1788
01:19:38,750 --> 01:19:35,460
want to open the door because they know

1789
01:19:40,970 --> 01:19:38,760
the Cascade and the of screaming

1790
01:19:43,370 --> 01:19:40,980
questions that are next

1791
01:19:45,410 --> 01:19:43,380
uh in line

1792
01:19:47,930 --> 01:19:45,420
it have people like you and everybody

1793
01:19:52,550 --> 01:19:47,940
screaming at the top of their voices you

1794
01:19:55,070 --> 01:19:52,560
know the assortive sort of accepts

1795
01:19:58,010 --> 01:19:55,080
um uh I think that we've seen too much

1796
01:20:01,070 --> 01:19:58,020
now I think I think that we're pretty

1797
01:20:04,430 --> 01:20:01,080
smart uh look we've only had real

1798
01:20:07,669 --> 01:20:04,440
science right for 300 years maybe yeah

1799
01:20:09,950 --> 01:20:07,679
yeah right so it's not like we know

1800
01:20:14,030 --> 01:20:09,960
everything of everything no no we're far

1801
01:20:16,729 --> 01:20:14,040
from it but we certainly uh in a general

1802
01:20:19,130 --> 01:20:16,739
sense uh as I mean you know the the

1803
01:20:22,630 --> 01:20:19,140
basics of the basics we're pretty smart

1804
01:20:26,510 --> 01:20:22,640
I think we have a grasp on things where

1805
01:20:29,810 --> 01:20:26,520
uh going outside now Gary and looking up

1806
01:20:32,149 --> 01:20:29,820
at the stars just 25 years ago we were

1807
01:20:36,110 --> 01:20:32,159
still going I wonder if there's planets

1808
01:20:38,890 --> 01:20:36,120
out there yeah 75 years ago now we know

1809
01:20:42,649 --> 01:20:38,900
that every single star

1810
01:20:45,229 --> 01:20:42,659
everywhere has it one planet I think we

1811
01:20:50,450 --> 01:20:45,239
understand that today and that's a huge

1812
01:20:53,630 --> 01:20:50,460
leap so the variety of ideas and and

1813
01:20:55,729 --> 01:20:53,640
systems and things it's nearly infinite

1814
01:20:57,830 --> 01:20:55,739
I'm not not only with species but

1815
01:21:01,370 --> 01:20:57,840
techniques and Technologies and how they

1816
01:21:04,430 --> 01:21:01,380
do it some telepathy you know maybe

1817
01:21:07,189 --> 01:21:04,440
maybe they are traveling at the speed of

1818
01:21:09,130 --> 01:21:07,199
light in a craft you know a thousand

1819
01:21:11,870 --> 01:21:09,140
times the speed of light

1820
01:21:14,810 --> 01:21:11,880
right and they have okay that's what

1821
01:21:18,649 --> 01:21:14,820
they do I don't know but the variety

1822
01:21:21,350 --> 01:21:18,659
right and versus what we see here

1823
01:21:24,050 --> 01:21:21,360
and and what we've seen over the last 75

1824
01:21:26,689 --> 01:21:24,060
years it seems like everything's been a

1825
01:21:29,870 --> 01:21:26,699
little bit different we've seen a

1826
01:21:32,149 --> 01:21:29,880
consistent single species visiting this

1827
01:21:33,590 --> 01:21:32,159
planet it's all kinds of aircraft well

1828
01:21:35,030 --> 01:21:33,600
that's what I find you know I also find

1829
01:21:38,410 --> 01:21:35,040
that interesting

1830
01:21:42,070 --> 01:21:38,420
um that there's so many different things

1831
01:21:45,010 --> 01:21:42,080
that are observed which either fits into

1832
01:21:47,870 --> 01:21:45,020
Jacques model of the system of systems

1833
01:21:51,770 --> 01:21:47,880
or I mean look if you're gonna imagine

1834
01:21:53,930 --> 01:21:51,780
one other Universe why not a thousand of

1835
01:21:55,430 --> 01:21:53,940
the universes right

1836
01:21:57,649 --> 01:21:55,440
um and if you're going to imagine one

1837
01:22:01,130 --> 01:21:57,659
other species why not ten thousand other

1838
01:22:02,870 --> 01:22:01,140
species trillion species yes yes yes so

1839
01:22:05,209 --> 01:22:02,880
you know the next question is well why

1840
01:22:06,830 --> 01:22:05,219
are they bothering with us well I don't

1841
01:22:09,830 --> 01:22:06,840
think they necessarily are bothering

1842
01:22:13,430 --> 01:22:09,840
with us I think they're just I think you

1843
01:22:14,209 --> 01:22:13,440
know if maybe we're just like a a pit

1844
01:22:16,570 --> 01:22:14,219
stop

1845
01:22:19,850 --> 01:22:16,580
or maybe

1846
01:22:23,209 --> 01:22:19,860
there's some reason to stop us from

1847
01:22:24,590 --> 01:22:23,219
killing ourselves or maybe we're a zoo I

1848
01:22:27,410 --> 01:22:24,600
don't know

1849
01:22:28,310 --> 01:22:27,420
um maybe we're a resource of some kind I

1850
01:22:31,310 --> 01:22:28,320
don't know

1851
01:22:33,709 --> 01:22:31,320
I I would like to figure it out if I

1852
01:22:36,110 --> 01:22:33,719
could you know I don't

1853
01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:36,120
you know I mean I'm I'm going to be 62

1854
01:22:39,890 --> 01:22:39,120
in like three weeks and

1855
01:22:42,770 --> 01:22:39,900
um

1856
01:22:45,950 --> 01:22:42,780
I don't expect by the end of whatever

1857
01:22:49,250 --> 01:22:45,960
existence this is that I will have all

1858
01:22:53,090 --> 01:22:49,260
of the answers but why should why not

1859
01:22:56,390 --> 01:22:53,100
have fun trying I mean to me having

1860
01:22:58,910 --> 01:22:56,400
succeeded in my main business

1861
01:23:02,209 --> 01:22:58,920
gives me the latitude

1862
01:23:03,890 --> 01:23:02,219
in my let's say Elder years to do

1863
01:23:07,250 --> 01:23:03,900
whatever I want

1864
01:23:08,990 --> 01:23:07,260
and why should anybody be mad at me for

1865
01:23:12,410 --> 01:23:09,000
even trying I mean to some of the stuff

1866
01:23:14,510 --> 01:23:12,420
I get from some of my colleagues is is

1867
01:23:17,450 --> 01:23:14,520
like why are you doing this you could be

1868
01:23:18,430 --> 01:23:17,460
doing XYZ yeah yeah well you're doing

1869
01:23:25,490 --> 01:23:18,440
that

1870
01:23:28,010 --> 01:23:25,500
you look like hell right you know you

1871
01:23:30,350 --> 01:23:28,020
know you spend every freaking day in the

1872
01:23:33,229 --> 01:23:30,360
lab worrying about your next Grant

1873
01:23:34,370 --> 01:23:33,239
and I'm having the time of my freaking

1874
01:23:37,250 --> 01:23:34,380
life

1875
01:23:41,450 --> 01:23:37,260
you know I mean I went down to you know

1876
01:23:42,890 --> 01:23:41,460
to see Ryan and uh and you know he was

1877
01:23:45,370 --> 01:23:42,900
hanging out with some really fun people

1878
01:23:47,689 --> 01:23:45,380
and we got to drive around in some

1879
01:23:50,390 --> 01:23:47,699
amazing cars

1880
01:23:52,310 --> 01:23:50,400
that you know I would normally not let

1881
01:23:53,870 --> 01:23:52,320
anybody drive like that except it was

1882
01:23:56,390 --> 01:23:53,880
Ryan so if he could drive a fighter

1883
01:23:58,430 --> 01:23:56,400
pilot thing I'll he can handle what we

1884
01:24:00,770 --> 01:23:58,440
were driving around in

1885
01:24:02,510 --> 01:24:00,780
um you know I've I've just met some of

1886
01:24:04,370 --> 01:24:02,520
the most fun and extraordinary people

1887
01:24:06,410 --> 01:24:04,380
and what did it do it actually linked me

1888
01:24:07,729 --> 01:24:06,420
up eventually with the Galileo project

1889
01:24:11,510 --> 01:24:07,739
in Avi

1890
01:24:13,270 --> 01:24:11,520
and there's another scientist who runs a

1891
01:24:17,330 --> 01:24:13,280
big Mass spectrometry company called

1892
01:24:20,570 --> 01:24:17,340
broker uh and who I knew previous to all

1893
01:24:23,290 --> 01:24:20,580
of this who funded some of avi's Galileo

1894
01:24:26,990 --> 01:24:23,300
project and now

1895
01:24:28,850 --> 01:24:27,000
he and Avi have set up a a company

1896
01:24:31,729 --> 01:24:28,860
called the Copernicus space corporation

1897
01:24:33,970 --> 01:24:31,739
which I tweeted about the other day

1898
01:24:36,950 --> 01:24:33,980
um and it's got like major

1899
01:24:38,750 --> 01:24:36,960
astrophysicists and uh actually a good

1900
01:24:41,090 --> 01:24:38,760
friend of mine George Church a very

1901
01:24:44,270 --> 01:24:41,100
famous genomicist we're now all on the

1902
01:24:46,550 --> 01:24:44,280
ssab the Strategic and scientific

1903
01:24:49,610 --> 01:24:46,560
Advisory Board and what are they doing

1904
01:24:51,410 --> 01:24:49,620
building zillions of tiny space probes

1905
01:24:54,649 --> 01:24:51,420
I'm going to send them out around our

1906
01:24:59,209 --> 01:24:54,659
solar system to explore now I

1907
01:25:01,070 --> 01:24:59,219
think now I talked to Avi about this and

1908
01:25:05,169 --> 01:25:01,080
um and when I say I did not in an

1909
01:25:07,250 --> 01:25:05,179
interview over dinner okay and this is

1910
01:25:09,169 --> 01:25:07,260
excuse me

1911
01:25:10,310 --> 01:25:09,179
this is what I find extraordinary with

1912
01:25:13,669 --> 01:25:10,320
that

1913
01:25:17,630 --> 01:25:13,679
is everybody seems to

1914
01:25:18,850 --> 01:25:17,640
have issues with who or what may be

1915
01:25:21,890 --> 01:25:18,860
visiting us

1916
01:25:27,169 --> 01:25:21,900
space probes is the Tic Tac that is

1917
01:25:29,390 --> 01:25:27,179
scientific and what is it Gary that we

1918
01:25:32,209 --> 01:25:29,400
want to do and we are doing here

1919
01:25:35,030 --> 01:25:32,219
ourselves we're looking for exoplanets

1920
01:25:41,209 --> 01:25:35,040
we're sending out probes we're figuring

1921
01:25:43,430 --> 01:25:41,219
out uh different ways for uh small uh uh

1922
01:25:47,229 --> 01:25:43,440
satellites to reach other star systems

1923
01:25:51,410 --> 01:25:47,239
and you know solar sales and different

1924
01:25:54,530 --> 01:25:51,420
this is we are exploring why would we

1925
01:25:57,290 --> 01:25:54,540
expect anything else from uh another

1926
01:26:01,149 --> 01:25:57,300
civilization out there from doing the

1927
01:26:04,070 --> 01:26:01,159
same thing right and and certainly

1928
01:26:05,990 --> 01:26:04,080
if they are and they are they would have

1929
01:26:08,450 --> 01:26:06,000
discovered this planet just like we've

1930
01:26:11,209 --> 01:26:08,460
just discovered 10 000 in our Solar

1931
01:26:14,930 --> 01:26:11,219
neighborhood yeah I mean you know maybe

1932
01:26:17,030 --> 01:26:14,940
life is relatively rare you know on a

1933
01:26:19,189 --> 01:26:17,040
per Planet basis but in a big enough

1934
01:26:20,750 --> 01:26:19,199
Universe it's

1935
01:26:26,510 --> 01:26:20,760
numerous

1936
01:26:28,010 --> 01:26:26,520
why wouldn't you want to go see the

1937
01:26:31,189 --> 01:26:28,020
other Rarities

1938
01:26:33,490 --> 01:26:31,199
wait we um okay so let's let's let's

1939
01:26:38,090 --> 01:26:33,500
talk about this for a second

1940
01:26:40,850 --> 01:26:38,100
just in our Milky Way where and and AVI

1941
01:26:43,070 --> 01:26:40,860
has stopped me a couple of times and

1942
01:26:45,169 --> 01:26:43,080
corrected me on my numbers his numbers

1943
01:26:47,450 --> 01:26:45,179
are much bigger than mine but let's

1944
01:26:49,370 --> 01:26:47,460
let's just go with this a trillion

1945
01:26:54,649 --> 01:26:49,380
planets in our Milky Way

1946
01:26:56,990 --> 01:26:54,659
25 years ago zero okay big not

1947
01:27:01,790 --> 01:26:57,000
um now now it's a trillion planets or

1948
01:27:04,910 --> 01:27:01,800
more and where a hundred billion a

1949
01:27:08,270 --> 01:27:04,920
hundred billion are rocky earth-like

1950
01:27:09,890 --> 01:27:08,280
planets in the Goldilocks zone now it's

1951
01:27:14,270 --> 01:27:09,900
a numbers game just like you just said

1952
01:27:18,050 --> 01:27:14,280
right now how many have until how many

1953
01:27:21,110 --> 01:27:18,060
have life how many have intelligent life

1954
01:27:22,330 --> 01:27:21,120
how many have intelligent life beyond

1955
01:27:25,430 --> 01:27:22,340
ours

1956
01:27:28,610 --> 01:27:25,440
well even though

1957
01:27:30,649 --> 01:27:28,620
we take a percentage or two of that and

1958
01:27:31,729 --> 01:27:30,659
pull these numbers out we're still

1959
01:27:36,950 --> 01:27:31,739
talking about

1960
01:27:38,689 --> 01:27:36,960
30 40 50 60 100 million right it's a big

1961
01:27:41,689 --> 01:27:38,699
number

1962
01:27:47,090 --> 01:27:45,470
and and why why is it that it's it's so

1963
01:27:49,910 --> 01:27:47,100
difficult for

1964
01:27:52,850 --> 01:27:49,920
for scientists to discuss this I think

1965
01:27:55,030 --> 01:27:52,860
you know most people have an open mind I

1966
01:27:58,430 --> 01:27:55,040
mean I think people

1967
01:28:00,830 --> 01:27:58,440
enjoy talking about it I think it's

1968
01:28:03,050 --> 01:28:00,840
because you're I don't think anybody has

1969
01:28:05,990 --> 01:28:03,060
a problem speculating

1970
01:28:11,450 --> 01:28:06,000
I think it's still in the speculation

1971
01:28:14,090 --> 01:28:11,460
anecdote mode but if we find life in

1972
01:28:16,970 --> 01:28:14,100
on Europa or

1973
01:28:18,830 --> 01:28:16,980
Life on Mars right it'll be primitive at

1974
01:28:21,790 --> 01:28:18,840
least on Mars we expect to be primitive

1975
01:28:25,189 --> 01:28:21,800
relative to us given you know it's

1976
01:28:27,050 --> 01:28:25,199
ecologic circumstances I think we might

1977
01:28:30,950 --> 01:28:27,060
find stuff which is a little bit more

1978
01:28:33,470 --> 01:28:30,960
complex under the oceans in Europa

1979
01:28:35,450 --> 01:28:33,480
um you know jellyfish-like things or

1980
01:28:40,070 --> 01:28:35,460
whatever that you know live off the

1981
01:28:42,290 --> 01:28:40,080
energy generated by uh the orbiting of

1982
01:28:44,629 --> 01:28:42,300
of Jupiter

1983
01:28:47,689 --> 01:28:44,639
um I mean that would be that would be a

1984
01:28:51,709 --> 01:28:47,699
big game changer that then opens your

1985
01:28:55,250 --> 01:28:51,719
mind to the other possibilities that

1986
01:28:56,810 --> 01:28:55,260
okay well gee life can be elsewhere now

1987
01:29:00,290 --> 01:28:56,820
the first question anybody's going to

1988
01:29:02,390 --> 01:29:00,300
ask is does it look like us did did it

1989
01:29:04,129 --> 01:29:02,400
not look like us from the DNA point of

1990
01:29:05,930 --> 01:29:04,139
view does it have cellular structures

1991
01:29:09,290 --> 01:29:05,940
like us is it derived from us are we

1992
01:29:10,790 --> 01:29:09,300
derived from them are we cousins I mean

1993
01:29:12,410 --> 01:29:10,800
obviously they'll be extraordinarily

1994
01:29:17,750 --> 01:29:12,420
different

1995
01:29:21,649 --> 01:29:17,760
watch any deep sea you know uh

1996
01:29:23,870 --> 01:29:21,659
um uh exploration show the strange

1997
01:29:25,250 --> 01:29:23,880
things that you find down there are the

1998
01:29:26,750 --> 01:29:25,260
kind of strange things I would expect to

1999
01:29:30,530 --> 01:29:26,760
find on Europa

2000
01:29:32,750 --> 01:29:30,540
write the weird shaped blocks you're

2001
01:29:35,090 --> 01:29:32,760
right though it would be it would be

2002
01:29:36,590 --> 01:29:35,100
huge talk about funding right NASA will

2003
01:29:39,830 --> 01:29:36,600
get all the funding that they ever want

2004
01:29:42,890 --> 01:29:39,840
for for eternity except the the problem

2005
01:29:44,410 --> 01:29:42,900
that uh that I have with that most

2006
01:29:48,050 --> 01:29:44,420
people don't understand

2007
01:29:50,689 --> 01:29:48,060
an octopus living you know in the in the

2008
01:29:53,570 --> 01:29:50,699
oceans of Europa would be cool

2009
01:29:57,410 --> 01:29:53,580
but without fire they're not building

2010
01:29:59,270 --> 01:29:57,420
anything right if you're right that's

2011
01:30:02,570 --> 01:29:59,280
that's the evolutionary step that will

2012
01:30:04,669 --> 01:30:02,580
never happen why I mean

2013
01:30:07,550 --> 01:30:04,679
um now I'm just I'm just gonna I'll

2014
01:30:08,930 --> 01:30:07,560
challenge that I mean why couldn't let's

2015
01:30:11,689 --> 01:30:08,940
say that there were some sort of

2016
01:30:14,270 --> 01:30:11,699
volcanic areas down there why couldn't

2017
01:30:15,530 --> 01:30:14,280
they fashion tools why couldn't they

2018
01:30:17,810 --> 01:30:15,540
realize that if they wanted to do

2019
01:30:21,530 --> 01:30:17,820
electricity they had to they would have

2020
01:30:26,030 --> 01:30:21,540
to evacuate a chamber and create

2021
01:30:28,070 --> 01:30:26,040
Electronics in that is only in air I I

2022
01:30:30,709 --> 01:30:28,080
don't think that it's smart I don't

2023
01:30:32,030 --> 01:30:30,719
think it I don't think it it it limits

2024
01:30:33,590 --> 01:30:32,040
them

2025
01:30:35,750 --> 01:30:33,600
you know they could be extraordinary

2026
01:30:38,270 --> 01:30:35,760
philosophers and who care if they if

2027
01:30:40,910 --> 01:30:38,280
they have to be you know or

2028
01:30:42,649 --> 01:30:40,920
mathematicians who cares if they could

2029
01:30:45,890 --> 01:30:42,659
ever really build anything

2030
01:30:51,709 --> 01:30:45,900
when um uh you were just with Ryan

2031
01:30:54,649 --> 01:30:51,719
Graves and if we uh take some of the

2032
01:30:57,590 --> 01:30:54,659
eyewitness testimony that we have you

2033
01:31:01,189 --> 01:30:57,600
know professional military pilots and we

2034
01:31:03,229 --> 01:31:01,199
extrapolate out of that and we start to

2035
01:31:05,930 --> 01:31:03,239
subgroup this you know the US and them

2036
01:31:08,030 --> 01:31:05,940
or you know even above us you know what

2037
01:31:12,250 --> 01:31:08,040
what could this possibly be

2038
01:31:15,290 --> 01:31:12,260
there isn't if we just take it simply

2039
01:31:16,790 --> 01:31:15,300
there isn't anybody on this planet that

2040
01:31:18,729 --> 01:31:16,800
has that kind of Technology yet

2041
01:31:21,290 --> 01:31:18,739
including us I'm talking about something

2042
01:31:24,470 --> 01:31:21,300
anti-gravity and right with that type of

2043
01:31:26,689 --> 01:31:24,480
propulsion systems and uh if if I'm

2044
01:31:28,550 --> 01:31:26,699
correct in that assumption

2045
01:31:31,250 --> 01:31:28,560
um and I think I'm in a pretty safe Zone

2046
01:31:34,129 --> 01:31:31,260
here what what's the alternative and

2047
01:31:37,250 --> 01:31:34,139
does the military understand this

2048
01:31:38,689 --> 01:31:37,260
I mean the alternative is well we know

2049
01:31:40,189 --> 01:31:38,699
what the what the alternatives are the

2050
01:31:41,750 --> 01:31:40,199
side of the Chinese the Russians I think

2051
01:31:44,149 --> 01:31:41,760
the Russians have pretty much played

2052
01:31:45,590 --> 01:31:44,159
their cards uh as we've seen in the

2053
01:31:47,330 --> 01:31:45,600
Ukraine

2054
01:31:50,090 --> 01:31:47,340
um you know I think

2055
01:31:52,010 --> 01:31:50,100
uh I'm not worried that it's it's

2056
01:31:55,390 --> 01:31:52,020
somebody else

2057
01:31:58,070 --> 01:31:55,400
I'm worried from a purely National

2058
01:32:01,370 --> 01:31:58,080
nationalistic or patriotic point of view

2059
01:32:04,790 --> 01:32:01,380
that somebody else gets there first

2060
01:32:07,970 --> 01:32:04,800
and somebody who doesn't have the kinds

2061
01:32:10,550 --> 01:32:07,980
of values I think that are important

2062
01:32:12,590 --> 01:32:10,560
um you know I'm I'm an immigrant and

2063
01:32:15,410 --> 01:32:12,600
there's usually peop no more let's say

2064
01:32:17,930 --> 01:32:15,420
patriotic people than immigrants I moved

2065
01:32:20,330 --> 01:32:17,940
here from England uh as a young very

2066
01:32:22,310 --> 01:32:20,340
young boy I was two actually so one and

2067
01:32:23,090 --> 01:32:22,320
a half or two

2068
01:32:27,950 --> 01:32:23,100
um

2069
01:32:29,030 --> 01:32:27,960
so I I I would like us to figure it out

2070
01:32:30,590 --> 01:32:29,040
first

2071
01:32:32,510 --> 01:32:30,600
because I just think that there's so

2072
01:32:35,209 --> 01:32:32,520
much opportunity I'm not saying that

2073
01:32:38,090 --> 01:32:35,219
we're perfect by any stretch of the

2074
01:32:40,430 --> 01:32:38,100
imagination but I I would rather it be

2075
01:32:42,890 --> 01:32:40,440
us than China

2076
01:32:44,750 --> 01:32:42,900
and I greatly respect China in fact I

2077
01:32:46,970 --> 01:32:44,760
respect China so much that I'm worried

2078
01:32:49,250 --> 01:32:46,980
that they're going to get there first

2079
01:32:53,330 --> 01:32:49,260
I think that they are extraordinarily

2080
01:32:56,209 --> 01:32:53,340
competent people the AI race is what

2081
01:32:59,030 --> 01:32:56,219
freaks me out there and if you've in in

2082
01:33:02,330 --> 01:32:59,040
saying that you know giving somebody the

2083
01:33:04,729 --> 01:33:02,340
idea when the announcement came uh you

2084
01:33:06,830 --> 01:33:04,739
know for nuclear fusion uh today and the

2085
01:33:09,470 --> 01:33:06,840
process he's involved with that you know

2086
01:33:11,930 --> 01:33:09,480
it wasn't like there was a tech white

2087
01:33:15,470 --> 01:33:11,940
paper that was published today but

2088
01:33:18,410 --> 01:33:15,480
you give the idea right 200 lasers

2089
01:33:21,110 --> 01:33:18,420
pallets being fired at it 150 million

2090
01:33:25,729 --> 01:33:21,120
degrees well you only need to have that

2091
01:33:28,790 --> 01:33:25,739
what if right you just gave the you know

2092
01:33:30,709 --> 01:33:28,800
the German the petri dish to the rest of

2093
01:33:33,530 --> 01:33:30,719
the world

2094
01:33:35,530 --> 01:33:33,540
well I mean if you

2095
01:33:38,750 --> 01:33:35,540
if you gave it to everyone

2096
01:33:39,770 --> 01:33:38,760
uh then that would be a good thing I

2097
01:33:41,570 --> 01:33:39,780
mean the power is that what you're

2098
01:33:43,970 --> 01:33:41,580
talking about the ability to do Fusion

2099
01:33:45,649 --> 01:33:43,980
right I mean somebody well I mean first

2100
01:33:46,669 --> 01:33:45,659
of all it's not going to be given to

2101
01:33:49,070 --> 01:33:46,679
everybody

2102
01:33:51,250 --> 01:33:49,080
let's just talk about it clearly

2103
01:33:53,030 --> 01:33:51,260
capitalism doesn't work that way

2104
01:33:56,629 --> 01:33:53,040
somebody's going to make a lot of money

2105
01:33:59,570 --> 01:33:56,639
off of it uh For Better or Worse

2106
01:34:01,970 --> 01:33:59,580
um but you know but I think you can step

2107
01:34:05,149 --> 01:34:01,980
away from Fusion

2108
01:34:07,850 --> 01:34:05,159
hot fusion and you can go look at even

2109
01:34:11,149 --> 01:34:07,860
stuff that NASA has admitted is now real

2110
01:34:14,030 --> 01:34:11,159
low energy nuclear reactions right

2111
01:34:17,689 --> 01:34:14,040
so-called cold fusion I mean it's there

2112
01:34:20,149 --> 01:34:17,699
was just a symposia here in Silicon

2113
01:34:22,610 --> 01:34:20,159
Valley with a whole bunch of academics I

2114
01:34:24,830 --> 01:34:22,620
mean mainstream academics now and

2115
01:34:27,590 --> 01:34:24,840
Industrial because they're they're this

2116
01:34:28,370 --> 01:34:27,600
anomaly that people didn't think was

2117
01:34:30,649 --> 01:34:28,380
real

2118
01:34:33,290 --> 01:34:30,659
has now been proven in the laboratory

2119
01:34:34,550 --> 01:34:33,300
and reproducible to the point where they

2120
01:34:37,750 --> 01:34:34,560
say this might actually be an energy

2121
01:34:40,129 --> 01:34:37,760
source it doesn't require a

2122
01:34:43,850 --> 01:34:40,139
150 million degrees

2123
01:34:47,149 --> 01:34:43,860
to accomplish so you know I think I I

2124
01:34:49,070 --> 01:34:47,159
think that that is also an example of

2125
01:34:51,950 --> 01:34:49,080
where

2126
01:34:53,570 --> 01:34:51,960
people who were told that they shouldn't

2127
01:34:56,030 --> 01:34:53,580
be doing something and that they would

2128
01:34:57,350 --> 01:34:56,040
ruin their career ignored it because

2129
01:34:58,790 --> 01:34:57,360
they knew that they were seeing

2130
01:35:01,370 --> 01:34:58,800
something right

2131
01:35:04,310 --> 01:35:01,380
and they're following up on it will it

2132
01:35:07,189 --> 01:35:04,320
be eventually usable or commercializable

2133
01:35:09,110 --> 01:35:07,199
I don't know it's not yet but it's an

2134
01:35:12,530 --> 01:35:09,120
alternative that we should explore

2135
01:35:15,350 --> 01:35:12,540
because I the thing that I worry about

2136
01:35:17,930 --> 01:35:15,360
with nuclear fusion is that it will be

2137
01:35:20,149 --> 01:35:17,940
monopolized and owned by General

2138
01:35:22,490 --> 01:35:20,159
Electric or something and then somebody

2139
01:35:25,250 --> 01:35:22,500
will set the prices and the prices won't

2140
01:35:27,110 --> 01:35:25,260
be that much different than what they're

2141
01:35:30,530 --> 01:35:27,120
charging for

2142
01:35:33,229 --> 01:35:30,540
um oil because they'll know that well

2143
01:35:34,970 --> 01:35:33,239
people will pay it

2144
01:35:36,830 --> 01:35:34,980
right or we'll force them to because

2145
01:35:38,510 --> 01:35:36,840
they'll have no other choice and that's

2146
01:35:40,370 --> 01:35:38,520
what I don't like so I want a bit more

2147
01:35:43,010 --> 01:35:40,380
democratization

2148
01:35:44,450 --> 01:35:43,020
of of these Technologies because I don't

2149
01:35:49,669 --> 01:35:44,460
like

2150
01:35:51,350 --> 01:35:49,679
the power and gouging and gouging yeah

2151
01:35:55,370 --> 01:35:51,360
the

2152
01:35:57,530 --> 01:35:55,380
time that we have left I want to talk

2153
01:36:00,290 --> 01:35:57,540
about two things

2154
01:36:01,970 --> 01:36:00,300
um uh I want to talk about wormholes and

2155
01:36:07,030 --> 01:36:01,980
I want to talk about the Wilson Davis

2156
01:36:11,689 --> 01:36:07,040
document and uh in the Wilson Davis

2157
01:36:13,790 --> 01:36:11,699
document which now as you you know what

2158
01:36:16,729 --> 01:36:13,800
is going on Oak Shannon is now spoken

2159
01:36:20,149 --> 01:36:16,739
about this and and the oak Shannon notes

2160
01:36:23,090 --> 01:36:20,159
and the Jack Hauck notes and the working

2161
01:36:24,590 --> 01:36:23,100
group and and BDM Corporation and John

2162
01:36:27,350 --> 01:36:24,600
Alexander and the whole list of names

2163
01:36:28,850 --> 01:36:27,360
comes out you know often kit green and

2164
01:36:32,770 --> 01:36:28,860
everything else

2165
01:36:36,709 --> 01:36:32,780
um but what I find the most interesting

2166
01:36:38,709 --> 01:36:36,719
uh about the Wilson Davis dock is that

2167
01:36:42,050 --> 01:36:38,719
on on page 13

2168
01:36:44,350 --> 01:36:42,060
uh Admiral Wilson says that he was at

2169
01:36:46,129 --> 01:36:44,360
and I'm assuming it's Lockheed

2170
01:36:50,689 --> 01:36:46,139
where

2171
01:36:53,090 --> 01:36:50,699
um uh these three uh employees of of

2172
01:36:54,590 --> 01:36:53,100
Lockheed assuming it was Lockheed tell

2173
01:36:58,189 --> 01:36:54,600
him that they've got to craft that can't

2174
01:37:01,070 --> 01:36:58,199
fly or that they think can fly

2175
01:37:04,250 --> 01:37:01,080
Eric Davis who is part of this

2176
01:37:06,470 --> 01:37:04,260
conversation and took the notes is

2177
01:37:07,390 --> 01:37:06,480
attributed to a quote in the New York

2178
01:37:11,770 --> 01:37:07,400
Times

2179
01:37:15,229 --> 01:37:11,780
uh where he says he briefed the senate

2180
01:37:17,629 --> 01:37:15,239
in a classified briefing that we are

2181
01:37:19,669 --> 01:37:17,639
indeed in possession of craft that are

2182
01:37:22,550 --> 01:37:19,679
not of this Earth

2183
01:37:25,510 --> 01:37:22,560
um what what do we do with that and and

2184
01:37:27,950 --> 01:37:25,520
do you think that Eric Davis

2185
01:37:30,229 --> 01:37:27,960
may not have witnessed one of these

2186
01:37:31,750 --> 01:37:30,239
crafts but certainly he's been exposed

2187
01:37:34,729 --> 01:37:31,760
to this

2188
01:37:37,850 --> 01:37:34,739
uh it was a lot to unpack there

2189
01:37:39,850 --> 01:37:37,860
um so you know I think the Wilson Davis

2190
01:37:45,890 --> 01:37:39,860
document

2191
01:37:48,709 --> 01:37:45,900
is real in so far as Eric was

2192
01:37:52,129 --> 01:37:48,719
um reporting something and and an event

2193
01:37:55,070 --> 01:37:52,139
that happened okay uh um you know look

2194
01:37:57,770 --> 01:37:55,080
uh everybody's gone around this multiple

2195
01:37:59,750 --> 01:37:57,780
times there's very good reasons why

2196
01:38:02,689 --> 01:37:59,760
Admiral Wilson

2197
01:38:04,070 --> 01:38:02,699
would say it never happened uh we know

2198
01:38:07,669 --> 01:38:04,080
the reasons why

2199
01:38:10,370 --> 01:38:07,679
uh I I just know Eric and I just don't

2200
01:38:13,010 --> 01:38:10,380
see him lying about this now whether

2201
01:38:16,189 --> 01:38:13,020
they were he was reporting something

2202
01:38:19,250 --> 01:38:16,199
that was real or whether Admiral Wilson

2203
01:38:22,850 --> 01:38:19,260
had been fed that information as a

2204
01:38:24,470 --> 01:38:22,860
disinformation campaign uh we know that

2205
01:38:27,770 --> 01:38:24,480
stuff like that happened I mean Dodie

2206
01:38:29,209 --> 01:38:27,780
was involved in this kind of stuff

2207
01:38:31,850 --> 01:38:29,219
um I I don't know

2208
01:38:34,310 --> 01:38:31,860
but I have every reason to believe that

2209
01:38:36,169 --> 01:38:34,320
Eric is reporting something that

2210
01:38:39,410 --> 01:38:36,179
happened

2211
01:38:40,910 --> 01:38:39,420
um and how far into it I mean I've had

2212
01:38:43,070 --> 01:38:40,920
other conversations with Eric about

2213
01:38:45,830 --> 01:38:43,080
other things that

2214
01:38:46,790 --> 01:38:45,840
you know lead me to believe that he has

2215
01:38:50,149 --> 01:38:46,800
seen

2216
01:38:53,330 --> 01:38:50,159
more than the average person

2217
01:38:56,450 --> 01:38:53,340
um and uh again I just don't see

2218
01:38:58,850 --> 01:38:56,460
and he's he's the remarkably correct

2219
01:39:02,209 --> 01:38:58,860
person to

2220
01:39:06,229 --> 01:39:02,219
to be a stenographer

2221
01:39:11,030 --> 01:39:06,239
at this moment in history because if you

2222
01:39:13,910 --> 01:39:11,040
know Eric he's he's a he's a savant for

2223
01:39:15,890 --> 01:39:13,920
sure he can remember conversations in

2224
01:39:19,550 --> 01:39:15,900
extraordinary detail that I wish I could

2225
01:39:21,350 --> 01:39:19,560
my God I wish I could go to a seminar

2226
01:39:24,590 --> 01:39:21,360
remember everything my brain would be

2227
01:39:26,030 --> 01:39:24,600
probably packed uh with more data than I

2228
01:39:26,750 --> 01:39:26,040
need but

2229
01:39:28,970 --> 01:39:26,760
um

2230
01:39:30,950 --> 01:39:28,980
he's the right person to know all of

2231
01:39:33,410 --> 01:39:30,960
this so when he's when he starts telling

2232
01:39:37,430 --> 01:39:33,420
you something he he just sort of goes

2233
01:39:39,709 --> 01:39:37,440
into this Fugue state in in a way and

2234
01:39:42,530 --> 01:39:39,719
just like starts rattling this stuff off

2235
01:39:45,830 --> 01:39:42,540
and if you ask him the same thing 15

2236
01:39:50,149 --> 01:39:45,840
minutes from now he'll go into the same

2237
01:39:52,970 --> 01:39:50,159
you know the the same diatribe and so

2238
01:39:53,990 --> 01:39:52,980
he's repeating something in his memory

2239
01:39:56,510 --> 01:39:54,000
system

2240
01:39:59,030 --> 01:39:56,520
he's a very unique individual

2241
01:40:03,110 --> 01:39:59,040
um I you know it's it's he's definitely

2242
01:40:04,390 --> 01:40:03,120
on the on a positive spectrum of some

2243
01:40:07,550 --> 01:40:04,400
kind

2244
01:40:08,930 --> 01:40:07,560
I I don't know I don't want to rewards

2245
01:40:11,090 --> 01:40:08,940
at him he'll yell at me next time you

2246
01:40:14,330 --> 01:40:11,100
said this about me you said that

2247
01:40:16,970 --> 01:40:14,340
yeah all right okay so and the reason

2248
01:40:19,129 --> 01:40:16,980
why I asked those two questions or two

2249
01:40:22,729 --> 01:40:19,139
statements I have a question

2250
01:40:24,950 --> 01:40:22,739
um in that fashion is that we have the

2251
01:40:26,930 --> 01:40:24,960
Wilson days Davis talk we know that what

2252
01:40:28,669 --> 01:40:26,940
was quoted in there right in the

2253
01:40:31,970 --> 01:40:28,679
backseat of the car and then we have

2254
01:40:34,129 --> 01:40:31,980
this quote you know from Eric Davis uh

2255
01:40:36,169 --> 01:40:34,139
in the New York Times Leslie Kane uh

2256
01:40:38,810 --> 01:40:36,179
Ralph Bloom fall in the article impaired

2257
01:40:42,470 --> 01:40:38,820
in this article is that quote

2258
01:40:45,649 --> 01:40:42,480
um is that quote from Eric because of

2259
01:40:48,310 --> 01:40:45,659
the conversation with Admiral Wilson or

2260
01:40:51,290 --> 01:40:48,320
do you think that Eric Davis uh uh

2261
01:40:56,090 --> 01:40:51,300
attributed this knowledge to the Senate

2262
01:40:59,330 --> 01:40:56,750
um

2263
01:41:01,629 --> 01:40:59,340
I I just probably shouldn't answer that

2264
01:41:04,250 --> 01:41:01,639
oh so he did

2265
01:41:06,110 --> 01:41:04,260
ah so he's got multiple sources of

2266
01:41:10,669 --> 01:41:06,120
information

2267
01:41:13,610 --> 01:41:10,679
um do you do and and uh you can stay

2268
01:41:17,110 --> 01:41:13,620
poker faced on this I'm very bad at

2269
01:41:24,770 --> 01:41:21,229
what do you believe uh uh do I want your

2270
01:41:27,770 --> 01:41:24,780
opinion is the Department of Defense yes

2271
01:41:30,169 --> 01:41:27,780
uh they are we're in possession of a

2272
01:41:32,510 --> 01:41:30,179
crime possession of something yes and

2273
01:41:36,350 --> 01:41:32,520
and I know that from other sources okay

2274
01:41:38,390 --> 01:41:36,360
okay let's keep going this is good uh I

2275
01:41:39,310 --> 01:41:38,400
I wanted to get to wormholes we might

2276
01:41:45,290 --> 01:41:39,320
not

2277
01:41:48,530 --> 01:41:45,300
and and that this is now in corporate

2278
01:41:52,430 --> 01:41:48,540
hands right in the private sector away

2279
01:41:56,149 --> 01:41:52,440
from the Pentagon for those reasons now

2280
01:41:57,709 --> 01:41:56,159
there isn't uh a way to be connected to

2281
01:42:00,770 --> 01:41:57,719
it and that research can stay

2282
01:42:03,010 --> 01:42:00,780
independent of of the government and

2283
01:42:05,870 --> 01:42:03,020
spending

2284
01:42:08,149 --> 01:42:05,880
right or they can continue to ask for

2285
01:42:11,870 --> 01:42:08,159
money to further explore it under the

2286
01:42:14,990 --> 01:42:11,880
guise of other kinds of research that is

2287
01:42:17,390 --> 01:42:15,000
ongoing well I mean look I know how to

2288
01:42:19,609 --> 01:42:17,400
write grants to

2289
01:42:23,270 --> 01:42:19,619
you know

2290
01:42:25,609 --> 01:42:23,280
I can write a grant for a given purpose

2291
01:42:27,770 --> 01:42:25,619
but my long-term goal might be something

2292
01:42:30,410 --> 01:42:27,780
else

2293
01:42:32,870 --> 01:42:30,420
um but I will write something that is

2294
01:42:35,629 --> 01:42:32,880
completely mainstream incredible even if

2295
01:42:39,229 --> 01:42:35,639
the underlying objective somebody would

2296
01:42:40,729 --> 01:42:39,239
think is incredible or impossible

2297
01:42:43,129 --> 01:42:40,739
um but I know

2298
01:42:45,109 --> 01:42:43,139
that eventually I will get there and I

2299
01:42:47,450 --> 01:42:45,119
will create the proof structure to get

2300
01:42:48,890 --> 01:42:47,460
where I think I need to be I mean I've

2301
01:42:50,750 --> 01:42:48,900
been doing this with the brain research

2302
01:42:54,050 --> 01:42:50,760
that we're doing uh around the cloud

2303
01:42:55,609 --> 01:42:54,060
apotainment that you know I I have some

2304
01:42:57,950 --> 01:42:55,619
ideas about

2305
01:42:58,850 --> 01:42:57,960
how this area of the brain operates and

2306
01:43:00,590 --> 01:42:58,860
how

2307
01:43:02,149 --> 01:43:00,600
something might interact with us through

2308
01:43:04,910 --> 01:43:02,159
this area of the brain

2309
01:43:06,770 --> 01:43:04,920
but I can't jump right to that

2310
01:43:08,689 --> 01:43:06,780
because it would just be I'd be laughed

2311
01:43:11,030 --> 01:43:08,699
out of committee and rightly so

2312
01:43:14,330 --> 01:43:11,040
but there's all kinds of mainstream

2313
01:43:17,689 --> 01:43:14,340
things that I can do that are setting me

2314
01:43:20,689 --> 01:43:17,699
up to do that analysis in the you know

2315
01:43:22,729 --> 01:43:20,699
in the long term and so that's one way

2316
01:43:25,430 --> 01:43:22,739
that in a in some of these crash

2317
01:43:26,390 --> 01:43:25,440
retrievals you can do it or you know

2318
01:43:28,490 --> 01:43:26,400
this stuff

2319
01:43:29,629 --> 01:43:28,500
it's like the Dr it's like the dragon's

2320
01:43:31,790 --> 01:43:29,639
gold

2321
01:43:34,189 --> 01:43:31,800
you know you you hoard it because you

2322
01:43:36,590 --> 01:43:34,199
have it and because you can not because

2323
01:43:37,790 --> 01:43:36,600
you necessarily know what to do with it

2324
01:43:39,830 --> 01:43:37,800
and you certainly don't want to give

2325
01:43:40,850 --> 01:43:39,840
anybody else because you don't want it

2326
01:43:42,649 --> 01:43:40,860
you don't want to give it away and I've

2327
01:43:44,450 --> 01:43:42,659
seen these kinds of personality types in

2328
01:43:46,430 --> 01:43:44,460
science all the time

2329
01:43:48,470 --> 01:43:46,440
you know it's it's if you've got

2330
01:43:50,450 --> 01:43:48,480
something and let's say the people who

2331
01:43:52,370 --> 01:43:50,460
are running the program have died and

2332
01:43:54,830 --> 01:43:52,380
now you're left holding the bag

2333
01:43:56,510 --> 01:43:54,840
and you don't know what to do with it

2334
01:43:58,250 --> 01:43:56,520
and you realize that if you let it out

2335
01:43:59,270 --> 01:43:58,260
it could be in the downfall of your

2336
01:44:02,030 --> 01:43:59,280
company

2337
01:44:04,129 --> 01:44:02,040
or civilization or civilization or

2338
01:44:05,870 --> 01:44:04,139
something like that and so you know or

2339
01:44:07,490 --> 01:44:05,880
there's some group that's controlling it

2340
01:44:10,070 --> 01:44:07,500
and knows where all the pieces are and

2341
01:44:13,189 --> 01:44:10,080
they're keeping a lid on it I don't know

2342
01:44:14,570 --> 01:44:13,199
you know it's it's just um I mean every

2343
01:44:15,189 --> 01:44:14,580
day

2344
01:44:21,590 --> 01:44:15,199
I

2345
01:44:22,910 --> 01:44:21,600
these tidbits of information they're

2346
01:44:25,689 --> 01:44:22,920
just like okay that's another piece of

2347
01:44:28,669 --> 01:44:25,699
the puzzle that's interesting

2348
01:44:31,510 --> 01:44:28,679
would you

2349
01:44:33,729 --> 01:44:31,520
I want you to be very candid here

2350
01:44:37,570 --> 01:44:33,739
if you

2351
01:44:42,109 --> 01:44:37,580
were doing research laboratory setting

2352
01:44:44,410 --> 01:44:42,119
on whatever materials telepathy

2353
01:44:47,689 --> 01:44:44,420
ET Wormhole whatever

2354
01:44:49,910 --> 01:44:47,699
and and you suddenly are in the

2355
01:44:52,669 --> 01:44:49,920
measurement phase

2356
01:44:55,729 --> 01:44:52,679
and you repeat it

2357
01:44:57,350 --> 01:44:55,739
and this is the game changer do you go

2358
01:45:03,410 --> 01:44:57,360
public

2359
01:45:05,629 --> 01:45:03,420
basically get it validated through I'm

2360
01:45:07,910 --> 01:45:05,639
saying you valid here you you oh yeah

2361
01:45:10,189 --> 01:45:07,920
you repeat it you repeat it and you get

2362
01:45:14,870 --> 01:45:10,199
it published you get it published I I

2363
01:45:17,930 --> 01:45:14,880
you know I don't do science by press

2364
01:45:21,649 --> 01:45:17,940
release it's just you know I played that

2365
01:45:24,189 --> 01:45:21,659
game with the with the Atacama and it

2366
01:45:28,070 --> 01:45:24,199
was a disaster you know I ended up

2367
01:45:31,450 --> 01:45:28,080
chasing my half thought out ideas for

2368
01:45:34,070 --> 01:45:31,460
years because I was just speculating but

2369
01:45:35,689 --> 01:45:34,080
others in the lay public don't

2370
01:45:37,370 --> 01:45:35,699
understand the speculation does not

2371
01:45:41,510 --> 01:45:37,380
equal conclusion

2372
01:45:44,330 --> 01:45:41,520
and so you've just and so it you can

2373
01:45:49,189 --> 01:45:44,340
still you you might publish with no

2374
01:45:52,790 --> 01:45:49,199
conclusions but at least you have the

2375
01:45:55,129 --> 01:45:52,800
the uh armor of having gone through the

2376
01:45:56,209 --> 01:45:55,139
peer review process to say look I did

2377
01:46:00,410 --> 01:45:56,219
what's right

2378
01:46:03,890 --> 01:46:00,420
I I I I worked the process but look if

2379
01:46:07,490 --> 01:46:03,900
it's a if it's a really game-changing

2380
01:46:08,750 --> 01:46:07,500
uh conclusion or even data it will get

2381
01:46:11,149 --> 01:46:08,760
published

2382
01:46:13,129 --> 01:46:11,159
I mean I I know the editors of the major

2383
01:46:16,430 --> 01:46:13,139
journals I've published in the major

2384
01:46:19,189 --> 01:46:16,440
journals Nature and Science and cell

2385
01:46:20,930 --> 01:46:19,199
several times those are the three

2386
01:46:22,129 --> 01:46:20,940
big ones

2387
01:46:24,109 --> 01:46:22,139
um I can call them up and have a

2388
01:46:26,149 --> 01:46:24,119
conversation and if if they don't want

2389
01:46:28,729 --> 01:46:26,159
to publish it I'll find a secondary

2390
01:46:30,590 --> 01:46:28,739
Journal that will

2391
01:46:33,890 --> 01:46:30,600
um you know there's always a journal

2392
01:46:36,649 --> 01:46:33,900
that's willing to to step out there

2393
01:46:38,450 --> 01:46:36,659
uh and do it but it's got to be a

2394
01:46:43,310 --> 01:46:38,460
serious Journal though that's at least

2395
01:46:45,530 --> 01:46:43,320
my point of view it can't be online only

2396
01:46:48,830 --> 01:46:45,540
I'm just kidding just kidding no no no

2397
01:46:51,109 --> 01:46:48,840
no it it can't be Twitter even though

2398
01:46:53,750 --> 01:46:51,119
musk is going to allow us to have 4 000

2399
01:46:55,609 --> 01:46:53,760
characters next apparently right right

2400
01:46:57,649 --> 01:46:55,619
what a disaster that's going to be who

2401
01:46:59,689 --> 01:46:57,659
wants to read all that

2402
01:47:03,649 --> 01:46:59,699
um and uh

2403
01:47:08,629 --> 01:47:06,590
I I have you know

2404
01:47:11,149 --> 01:47:08,639
the conversations I've had with the

2405
01:47:14,030 --> 01:47:11,159
people who've asked me to help have

2406
01:47:16,129 --> 01:47:14,040
always premised on

2407
01:47:20,570 --> 01:47:16,139
as long as it's not a national security

2408
01:47:22,729 --> 01:47:20,580
issue I get to publish right

2409
01:47:25,430 --> 01:47:22,739
you know they nod their they nod their

2410
01:47:26,750 --> 01:47:25,440
head like the like the bad guy in in

2411
01:47:29,090 --> 01:47:26,760
Aliens

2412
01:47:31,669 --> 01:47:29,100
you know telling

2413
01:47:33,410 --> 01:47:31,679
um Sigourney Weaver oh yeah it's fine

2414
01:47:35,410 --> 01:47:33,420
yeah don't worry yeah we're not going to

2415
01:47:37,609 --> 01:47:35,420
bring them back we're going to kill them

2416
01:47:41,030 --> 01:47:37,619
everything's okay everything's okay

2417
01:47:44,810 --> 01:47:41,040
don't worry you know I'm I'm I'm not

2418
01:47:46,970 --> 01:47:44,820
that naive but uh I'm I'm hopeful

2419
01:47:49,550 --> 01:47:46,980
and uh

2420
01:47:53,689 --> 01:47:49,560
but I was just telling you don't cross

2421
01:47:58,669 --> 01:47:53,699
me because I will find a way

2422
01:48:02,750 --> 01:47:58,679
and uh uh here you know you know what uh

2423
01:48:04,609 --> 01:48:02,760
frightens me about that statement you uh

2424
01:48:07,609 --> 01:48:04,619
your research I'm not going to go into

2425
01:48:09,709 --> 01:48:07,619
this but the point is if you're dealing

2426
01:48:12,530 --> 01:48:09,719
with something like Ebola

2427
01:48:13,550 --> 01:48:12,540
right I'm being serious you've got no

2428
01:48:18,290 --> 01:48:13,560
fear

2429
01:48:22,490 --> 01:48:18,300
and and you're dealing with pathogens

2430
01:48:25,810 --> 01:48:22,500
and and and you know very very serious

2431
01:48:28,129 --> 01:48:25,820
things and yeah yeah yeah

2432
01:48:31,070 --> 01:48:28,139
I don't think I don't think you're

2433
01:48:32,990 --> 01:48:31,080
scared I've been um yeah we work with

2434
01:48:34,250 --> 01:48:33,000
Ebola in my lab I mean we don't work

2435
01:48:36,590 --> 01:48:34,260
with it in the lab but we've worked with

2436
01:48:39,050 --> 01:48:36,600
it my postdocs go to Africa and and

2437
01:48:41,090 --> 01:48:39,060
collect stuff and

2438
01:48:43,669 --> 01:48:41,100
um you know we've we've worked on a

2439
01:48:45,890 --> 01:48:43,679
number of of interesting pathogens and

2440
01:48:47,870 --> 01:48:45,900
no I I just think

2441
01:48:49,250 --> 01:48:47,880
as long as you're taking the right

2442
01:48:52,609 --> 01:48:49,260
precautions

2443
01:48:55,010 --> 01:48:52,619
and it's for eventually Humanity's

2444
01:48:57,050 --> 01:48:55,020
benefit we should just do it

2445
01:49:00,790 --> 01:48:57,060
maybe I'm silly that way but I've I

2446
01:49:03,590 --> 01:49:00,800
still remember when I was a kid we were

2447
01:49:05,330 --> 01:49:03,600
met a bunch of other big kids out in the

2448
01:49:07,189 --> 01:49:05,340
middle of a field somewhere and

2449
01:49:09,830 --> 01:49:07,199
and they wanted to fight and I was

2450
01:49:11,870 --> 01:49:09,840
easily the smallest and I stupidly got

2451
01:49:15,530 --> 01:49:11,880
off the bicycle and walked up to the

2452
01:49:17,229 --> 01:49:15,540
others and said leave us alone and you

2453
01:49:20,870 --> 01:49:17,239
know it was I think it was the

2454
01:49:22,870 --> 01:49:20,880
incongruity of somebody so small

2455
01:49:25,729 --> 01:49:22,880
saying

2456
01:49:29,290 --> 01:49:25,739
take off that they're like okay this kid

2457
01:49:31,669 --> 01:49:29,300
maybe he he has something

2458
01:49:32,870 --> 01:49:31,679
I don't I I don't know I could have beat

2459
01:49:35,270 --> 01:49:32,880
the hell out of me and I don't know if

2460
01:49:37,669 --> 01:49:35,280
it was stupid or or heroic or cowardly

2461
01:49:39,830 --> 01:49:37,679
or whatever but it's and they and they

2462
01:49:41,870 --> 01:49:39,840
let so I've always been that way I'm

2463
01:49:44,689 --> 01:49:41,880
like I'm just like it's like just get

2464
01:49:47,750 --> 01:49:44,699
out of my way I've got stuff to do

2465
01:49:50,689 --> 01:49:47,760
people feel that the

2466
01:49:52,550 --> 01:49:50,699
um uh the other part of this I'm

2467
01:49:54,530 --> 01:49:52,560
swinging this back to wormholes for a

2468
01:49:56,750 --> 01:49:54,540
reason and this is you know talking

2469
01:50:00,950 --> 01:49:56,760
about Eric Davis who is you know his

2470
01:50:04,010 --> 01:50:00,960
mind goes into uh some of these uh

2471
01:50:06,050 --> 01:50:04,020
Fantastical theoretical ideas but you

2472
01:50:08,450 --> 01:50:06,060
give somebody the idea you put it out

2473
01:50:11,750 --> 01:50:08,460
there and things happen and when you go

2474
01:50:14,750 --> 01:50:11,760
with the Einstein Rosen bridge and and

2475
01:50:16,609 --> 01:50:14,760
the pursuit of this where you know

2476
01:50:20,450 --> 01:50:16,619
whether it's in in movies or science

2477
01:50:22,970 --> 01:50:20,460
fiction or in books uh wormholes has

2478
01:50:24,530 --> 01:50:22,980
always been out there but then you know

2479
01:50:27,470 --> 01:50:24,540
the press release came out last week

2480
01:50:29,810 --> 01:50:27,480
again right up there next to you Google

2481
01:50:31,729 --> 01:50:29,820
alphabet they're quantum computer and

2482
01:50:35,570 --> 01:50:31,739
the next thing you know they're sending

2483
01:50:38,530 --> 01:50:35,580
Quantum information and they have uh it

2484
01:50:42,890 --> 01:50:38,540
in a in a laboratory setting

2485
01:50:46,970 --> 01:50:42,900
created a wormhole now it's they didn't

2486
01:50:50,629 --> 01:50:46,980
uh they didn't teleport mice but they

2487
01:50:53,450 --> 01:50:50,639
did teleport Quantum information uh for

2488
01:50:56,890 --> 01:50:53,460
over time pretty incredible yeah

2489
01:50:58,970 --> 01:50:56,900
you know I I often wonder about you know

2490
01:51:00,890 --> 01:50:58,980
when you talk about like science fiction

2491
01:51:02,990 --> 01:51:00,900
these stories all you know these ideas

2492
01:51:04,310 --> 01:51:03,000
started in science and then they ended

2493
01:51:05,629 --> 01:51:04,320
up in science fiction usually by

2494
01:51:07,850 --> 01:51:05,639
actually physicists to write science

2495
01:51:09,229 --> 01:51:07,860
fiction some of the some of the best of

2496
01:51:11,030 --> 01:51:09,239
the science fiction writers have been

2497
01:51:14,629 --> 01:51:11,040
physicists

2498
01:51:16,790 --> 01:51:14,639
um I wonder how much of that is kind of

2499
01:51:17,750 --> 01:51:16,800
backwards information transfer from the

2500
01:51:20,689 --> 01:51:17,760
future

2501
01:51:23,510 --> 01:51:20,699
right that what they're picking up is

2502
01:51:24,890 --> 01:51:23,520
they're actually seeing a future they

2503
01:51:26,930 --> 01:51:24,900
get a flash

2504
01:51:30,290 --> 01:51:26,940
and then they turn it into a story you

2505
01:51:32,450 --> 01:51:30,300
know how put-offs in instantane you know

2506
01:51:35,510 --> 01:51:32,460
instantaneous data information transfer

2507
01:51:38,030 --> 01:51:35,520
from remote viewing and and but they get

2508
01:51:40,550 --> 01:51:38,040
that as an idea from the future and then

2509
01:51:42,109 --> 01:51:40,560
they turn it into a story and now we

2510
01:51:43,669 --> 01:51:42,119
believe that science fiction writes the

2511
01:51:45,830 --> 01:51:43,679
future but maybe the future wrote the

2512
01:51:49,790 --> 01:51:45,840
science fiction isn't that what da Vinci

2513
01:51:52,550 --> 01:51:49,800
did right yeah yeah yeah you know

2514
01:51:54,229 --> 01:51:52,560
um I I just I I just I I think that

2515
01:51:56,930 --> 01:51:54,239
there are

2516
01:51:58,370 --> 01:51:56,940
again no proof of it but it sort of

2517
01:52:01,490 --> 01:51:58,380
feels like sometimes we're in a bit of

2518
01:52:04,370 --> 01:52:01,500
of a Time Loop that

2519
01:52:07,070 --> 01:52:04,380
people who are so-called prescient or

2520
01:52:10,669 --> 01:52:07,080
Visionaries truly are seeing a vision

2521
01:52:13,970 --> 01:52:10,679
they are capturing information from that

2522
01:52:15,790 --> 01:52:13,980
future and so we're sort of like being

2523
01:52:19,729 --> 01:52:15,800
it's almost like maybe we're being led

2524
01:52:22,250 --> 01:52:19,739
by ourselves along a future path

2525
01:52:25,070 --> 01:52:22,260
uh of Discovery

2526
01:52:28,729 --> 01:52:25,080
um and so wormholes you know being being

2527
01:52:32,030 --> 01:52:28,739
one of them you know I don't know well

2528
01:52:33,050 --> 01:52:32,040
okay so when we and we'll we'll end on

2529
01:52:36,649 --> 01:52:33,060
this

2530
01:52:39,290 --> 01:52:36,659
it's put off and others right that whole

2531
01:52:41,390 --> 01:52:39,300
Stanford that that craziness that was

2532
01:52:44,090 --> 01:52:41,400
going on up there at SRI that you're a

2533
01:52:48,169 --> 01:52:44,100
part of which I love is

2534
01:52:49,970 --> 01:52:48,179
um to uh the understanding of remote

2535
01:52:52,790 --> 01:52:49,980
viewing and something like this

2536
01:52:56,350 --> 01:52:52,800
happening in real time isn't that really

2537
01:53:00,530 --> 01:52:56,360
just entanglement or some form of that I

2538
01:53:03,290 --> 01:53:00,540
physics is certainly uh at square with

2539
01:53:05,810 --> 01:53:03,300
this yeah I mean I don't know I mean

2540
01:53:07,990 --> 01:53:05,820
unfortunately the term quantum is is

2541
01:53:10,970 --> 01:53:08,000
this giant bucket that everybody pours

2542
01:53:15,770 --> 01:53:10,980
every lack of understanding you know

2543
01:53:18,530 --> 01:53:15,780
into so I but that's just this decades

2544
01:53:20,030 --> 01:53:18,540
or centuries you know uh understanding

2545
01:53:20,950 --> 01:53:20,040
of things

2546
01:53:23,149 --> 01:53:20,960
um

2547
01:53:24,590 --> 01:53:23,159
you know I think

2548
01:53:27,350 --> 01:53:24,600
um

2549
01:53:28,850 --> 01:53:27,360
there is information transfer of some

2550
01:53:31,550 --> 01:53:28,860
kind which is why I've been studying the

2551
01:53:34,250 --> 01:53:31,560
brain stuff I mean I've I did a remote

2552
01:53:37,070 --> 01:53:34,260
viewing with Ed May who's really an

2553
01:53:39,470 --> 01:53:37,080
unsung hero in many ways in the area of

2554
01:53:42,169 --> 01:53:39,480
remote viewing he took over after Hal

2555
01:53:45,169 --> 01:53:42,179
but he has written some beautiful uh

2556
01:53:47,750 --> 01:53:45,179
books filled with scientific uh studies

2557
01:53:48,770 --> 01:53:47,760
on the matter I did one with him and it

2558
01:53:54,649 --> 01:53:48,780
shocked me

2559
01:53:57,649 --> 01:53:54,659
belief is that the right word or

2560
01:54:00,050 --> 01:53:57,659
um it's like wow what either he showed

2561
01:54:02,390 --> 01:54:00,060
me something and and he flashed

2562
01:54:03,530 --> 01:54:02,400
something at me that caused me to know

2563
01:54:05,750 --> 01:54:03,540
what it was that he was going to show me

2564
01:54:08,689 --> 01:54:05,760
10 minutes from now or whatever but the

2565
01:54:09,830 --> 01:54:08,699
flashes that I got in my mind were so

2566
01:54:12,350 --> 01:54:09,840
unique

2567
01:54:14,209 --> 01:54:12,360
and different that are like okay there

2568
01:54:16,970 --> 01:54:14,219
is an information transfer system here

2569
01:54:20,810 --> 01:54:16,980
that needs to be understood

2570
01:54:22,910 --> 01:54:20,820
um and that all swung around the

2571
01:54:26,270 --> 01:54:22,920
cloudman work that I've been doing with

2572
01:54:28,669 --> 01:54:26,280
Hal and and kit and them so again it's

2573
01:54:32,390 --> 01:54:28,679
like I think there's something here but

2574
01:54:34,910 --> 01:54:32,400
where and how uh and I I rather than

2575
01:54:37,910 --> 01:54:34,920
just writing about it or or redoing the

2576
01:54:39,709 --> 01:54:37,920
studies I want to understand the the

2577
01:54:41,750 --> 01:54:39,719
physics of it I want to understand where

2578
01:54:43,490 --> 01:54:41,760
in the brain it might happen and how

2579
01:54:44,330 --> 01:54:43,500
information from over there gets over

2580
01:54:46,729 --> 01:54:44,340
here

2581
01:54:49,250 --> 01:54:46,739
uh because you know whether it's a

2582
01:54:51,890 --> 01:54:49,260
wormhole or entanglement or some other

2583
01:54:54,350 --> 01:54:51,900
process we've yet to understand

2584
01:54:56,629 --> 01:54:54,360
human consciousness can appreciate

2585
01:54:59,990 --> 01:54:56,639
things that it is whenever I use the c

2586
01:55:03,410 --> 01:55:00,000
word okay so let's we're at the end of

2587
01:55:05,090 --> 01:55:03,420
the show The the word Consciousness in

2588
01:55:08,390 --> 01:55:05,100
the scientific world because of

2589
01:55:11,209 --> 01:55:08,400
measurement and and repeatability and

2590
01:55:13,370 --> 01:55:11,219
Consciousness uh theoretically not being

2591
01:55:14,990 --> 01:55:13,380
able to be measured but we all know we

2592
01:55:16,850 --> 01:55:15,000
can talk and laugh and think and

2593
01:55:19,310 --> 01:55:16,860
contemplate and ponder that

2594
01:55:20,629 --> 01:55:19,320
Consciousness is a real thing why is it

2595
01:55:23,209 --> 01:55:20,639
that science doesn't want to discuss

2596
01:55:25,609 --> 01:55:23,219
this in physicists and then and then

2597
01:55:28,669 --> 01:55:25,619
move this into something else that may

2598
01:55:31,070 --> 01:55:28,679
be there with information transfer I

2599
01:55:33,290 --> 01:55:31,080
think they are I I you know this is this

2600
01:55:35,870 --> 01:55:33,300
is one of those cunying moments the CUNY

2601
01:55:39,609 --> 01:55:35,880
and revolutions where

2602
01:55:41,750 --> 01:55:39,619
um the anomalies have built up so high

2603
01:55:43,850 --> 01:55:41,760
that the edifice of current

2604
01:55:46,729 --> 01:55:43,860
understanding is it's about to fall on

2605
01:55:49,189 --> 01:55:46,739
top of it right and so

2606
01:55:52,129 --> 01:55:49,199
um you know you do find physicists

2607
01:55:54,470 --> 01:55:52,139
talking about uh it all the time I mean

2608
01:55:56,629 --> 01:55:54,480
I mean who's that psychiatrist or

2609
01:55:58,070 --> 01:55:56,639
psychologist Ronald Hoffman is that his

2610
01:55:59,629 --> 01:55:58,080
name yeah yeah

2611
01:56:01,970 --> 01:55:59,639
um you know who also seems to know an

2612
01:56:04,070 --> 01:56:01,980
extraordinary amount of physics you know

2613
01:56:06,709 --> 01:56:04,080
he does a very good job in one of his

2614
01:56:08,689 --> 01:56:06,719
books uh talking about the physicists

2615
01:56:09,950 --> 01:56:08,699
who deal with this notion of

2616
01:56:11,950 --> 01:56:09,960
Consciousness and how the universe

2617
01:56:14,990 --> 01:56:11,960
doesn't happen unless you look at it

2618
01:56:18,070 --> 01:56:15,000
yeah they they dip their toe in it

2619
01:56:20,649 --> 01:56:18,080
though yeah they don't cross the line

2620
01:56:24,169 --> 01:56:20,659
yeah you're right though it's it's

2621
01:56:26,750 --> 01:56:24,179
Consciousness and and the hard sciences

2622
01:56:29,330 --> 01:56:26,760
and physics they are though that

2623
01:56:31,910 --> 01:56:29,340
edification there are they are about to

2624
01:56:32,750 --> 01:56:31,920
collide head on whether they want to or

2625
01:56:35,030 --> 01:56:32,760
not

2626
01:56:38,629 --> 01:56:35,040
so I'm interested you know what where I

2627
01:56:40,729 --> 01:56:38,639
get where I can do work on it is you

2628
01:56:44,030 --> 01:56:40,739
know we're we're getting the brain

2629
01:56:48,050 --> 01:56:44,040
structures of people who have you know

2630
01:56:49,370 --> 01:56:48,060
uh let's say uh extraordinary abilities

2631
01:56:51,709 --> 01:56:49,380
um and then we'll look at the genetics

2632
01:56:54,770 --> 01:56:51,719
of them and then the genetics will point

2633
01:56:58,189 --> 01:56:54,780
to proteins or processes in the brain

2634
01:57:01,790 --> 01:56:58,199
that perhaps are a part of whatever as

2635
01:57:03,530 --> 01:57:01,800
I've called it the antenna right I mean

2636
01:57:05,990 --> 01:57:03,540
it all speculation I don't care what

2637
01:57:08,689 --> 01:57:06,000
anybody thinks I'm having fun I think

2638
01:57:09,950 --> 01:57:08,699
it's there I and I'm just gonna do it

2639
01:57:12,229 --> 01:57:09,960
because I can

2640
01:57:15,229 --> 01:57:12,239
I can see a path to proving or

2641
01:57:18,890 --> 01:57:15,239
disproving it so why not at the end of

2642
01:57:20,510 --> 01:57:18,900
uh uh Brian Greene's uh latest book uh

2643
01:57:22,129 --> 01:57:20,520
the end of time or whatever whatever

2644
01:57:26,209 --> 01:57:22,139
it's called

2645
01:57:28,310 --> 01:57:26,219
um he does the same thing he spends uh

2646
01:57:30,109 --> 01:57:28,320
the latter quarter of the book I was

2647
01:57:32,390 --> 01:57:30,119
gonna say half quarter of the book He's

2648
01:57:35,450 --> 01:57:32,400
dealing uh with you know a couple

2649
01:57:37,250 --> 01:57:35,460
hundred trillion years in the future you

2650
01:57:39,530 --> 01:57:37,260
know what is left in the universe and

2651
01:57:42,470 --> 01:57:39,540
this is what he says without saying the

2652
01:57:43,570 --> 01:57:42,480
c word Gary he said all that's going to

2653
01:57:45,790 --> 01:57:43,580
be left

2654
01:57:49,010 --> 01:57:45,800
is thought

2655
01:57:52,010 --> 01:57:49,020
now whoa whoa what you know it's like

2656
01:57:55,129 --> 01:57:52,020
he's trying to say Consciousness but he

2657
01:57:58,370 --> 01:57:55,139
can't without defending uh the world of

2658
01:58:02,270 --> 01:57:58,380
science but he said thinking thinking is

2659
01:58:04,310 --> 01:58:02,280
going to continue right and it it it's a

2660
01:58:05,330 --> 01:58:04,320
it's a way there's going to be clouds of

2661
01:58:07,430 --> 01:58:05,340
thought

2662
01:58:08,930 --> 01:58:07,440
well I mean we talked about it before I

2663
01:58:11,450 --> 01:58:08,940
mean so you have a trillion year old

2664
01:58:13,250 --> 01:58:11,460
parallel universe that has only got

2665
01:58:15,890 --> 01:58:13,260
thought left and so what does it have to

2666
01:58:22,330 --> 01:58:15,900
do maybe it goes out and explores other

2667
01:58:28,669 --> 01:58:26,270
without going fully spiritual but is

2668
01:58:30,530 --> 01:58:28,679
that the God is that the answer that

2669
01:58:33,589 --> 01:58:30,540
we've all been you know chasing down

2670
01:58:36,169 --> 01:58:33,599
maybe I I I don't even know where to

2671
01:58:39,910 --> 01:58:36,179
begin with it I again I find it

2672
01:58:42,410 --> 01:58:39,920
fascinating I mean I'm I mean and and

2673
01:58:45,890 --> 01:58:42,420
why not try to

2674
01:58:49,010 --> 01:58:45,900
wrap it with scientific terminology not

2675
01:58:51,050 --> 01:58:49,020
because science is necessary to

2676
01:58:53,930 --> 01:58:51,060
understand it but because so much of

2677
01:58:57,830 --> 01:58:53,940
society at least today requires science

2678
01:58:59,810 --> 01:58:57,840
to nod their head or explain it

2679
01:59:03,530 --> 01:58:59,820
they wait for that

2680
01:59:05,390 --> 01:59:03,540
uh you know agreement that well let's do

2681
01:59:07,550 --> 01:59:05,400
it I mean that's that's what I'm trained

2682
01:59:08,990 --> 01:59:07,560
at so I'm just that's how I'm gonna do

2683
01:59:10,609 --> 01:59:09,000
it so the extent that I can bring that

2684
01:59:11,990 --> 01:59:10,619
to other people

2685
01:59:14,209 --> 01:59:12,000
um or teach other people how to think

2686
01:59:16,910 --> 01:59:14,219
that way I mean that's just playing the

2687
01:59:18,890 --> 01:59:16,920
part of the role of a professor I guess

2688
01:59:20,510 --> 01:59:18,900
well I'll say this you figured something

2689
01:59:23,570 --> 01:59:20,520
out because you look like you're 35

2690
01:59:25,689 --> 01:59:23,580
years old so I want you to share with

2691
01:59:28,729 --> 01:59:25,699
whatever whatever

2692
01:59:30,290 --> 01:59:28,739
it's the alien hybrid DNA I'm an alien

2693
01:59:32,810 --> 01:59:30,300
hybrid

2694
01:59:34,550 --> 01:59:32,820
Dr Gary Nolan thank you so much my

2695
01:59:36,709 --> 01:59:34,560
friend great conversation I look forward

2696
01:59:38,450 --> 01:59:36,719
to the next time we get together

2697
01:59:40,189 --> 01:59:38,460
thanks so much it was really enjoyable

2698
01:59:42,950 --> 01:59:40,199
you're the best Gary thank you so much

2699
01:59:46,729 --> 01:59:42,960
be safe out there will do

2700
01:59:48,830 --> 01:59:46,739
Gary Nolan uh a great conversation we've

2701
01:59:52,669 --> 01:59:48,840
been setting this up for a very very

2702
01:59:56,030 --> 01:59:52,679
long time and it was all that so uh

2703
01:59:58,310 --> 01:59:56,040
thank you so much Gary I've got to uh

2704
02:00:00,229 --> 01:59:58,320
get out of here we just went pulled the

2705
02:00:02,930 --> 02:00:00,239
pole Bumper to Bumper this is faded

2706
02:00:06,050 --> 02:00:02,940
black I'm Yours Jimmy church and uh

2707
02:00:07,010 --> 02:00:06,060
tomorrow night Reuben Langdon is here

2708
02:00:09,830 --> 02:00:07,020
we're going to be talking about

2709
02:00:12,709 --> 02:00:09,840
channeling that's right that is tomorrow

2710
02:00:14,689 --> 02:00:12,719
night we've got a very busy week uh

2711
02:00:17,689 --> 02:00:14,699
Wednesday night we've got uh Jason

2712
02:00:20,930 --> 02:00:17,699
shirka what are we doing Thursday night

2713
02:00:22,609 --> 02:00:20,940
oh Jim Harold is here great week coming

2714
02:00:26,050 --> 02:00:22,619
up on Fade to Black

2715
02:00:29,149 --> 02:00:26,060
Fade to Black is produced by

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02:00:30,110 --> 02:00:29,159
Renee oh where's you know what oh my

2717
02:00:31,669 --> 02:00:30,120
goodness gracious

2718
02:00:34,010 --> 02:00:31,679
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2719
02:00:35,689 --> 02:00:34,020
I just rolled past Fade to Black is

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produced by Jose Palm Renee Dennis and

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Kevin Webb Master is Drew the geek music

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Doug Aldridge intro space boy

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spaceboymusic.com Fade to Black is

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produced by kjcr for the game changer

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Network this broadcast is owned and

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copyrighted 2022 by Fade to Black in the

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game changer Network Inc it cannot be

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rebroadcast outloaded copied or used

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anywhere in the known universe without

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written permission from Fade to Black in

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the game change your network I'm Yours

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chimney church until tomorrow night with

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Reuben Langdon I want everybody to be

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safe

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go back Lee tappy